2015 AMT Discussion

[BeechDriver]

If I was a company man trying to develope a stratogy to defeat a labor group, I think I would develope a plan to weaken the ability of the group to affect their impact on the day to day operation of the business. Maybe I could convince a portion of the labor group that a fair size portion of their group does not deserve to work for the company and that group is taking advantage of the other more worthy group. The undeserving group should be exersized from the colective bargaining group and then the company could properly compensate the more worthy work group. Say a few years later, There is a new need to reduce costs. Maybe we could not pay compensate new employees as much. Less vacation, less benifits, less pay. Of course current employees will have to sacrifice too, but I can scare them with threats of layoffs. What votes I can't get with scare tactics I can buy with an early out package. All those old timers will vote to screw the lower senior employees for a fat wad of cash and not have to deal with the consequencses. Say a few years later I can come up with another group to alienate, say smaller line stations that are a parisite and should be paid what I determine to be a fair market value. I have done this in the past and I am quite good at it now.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

Funny thing is that the B-Scale got whacked before they even became employees, they just didn't know.
b-scale 
JABORD, were you a TWU member in 1983-1985?

I was hired in 85 just in time to not be a C Scaler.  I remember very well when the guys came in after Sept. 1st and found out they had no insurance until off probation and that the 3 month probation was now 6 months.  Also they added 3 years to the progression.  B Scale had 9 yrs and C Scale had 12 yrs.  TWU was the first to bring the different pay scales for the same job and they were the last to get rid of it.  TWU was also the first to give away free medical after AA had made record profits in 89.  Those of you did not get to experience the 80s at AA should not be surprised that we are the lowest paid with the worst benefits in the industry.  We've been that way since at least 1983.  I think that shows the TWU has been consistent in their inferior contracts negotiated on our behalf.  

 

[OldGuy@AA]

If I was a company man trying to develope a stratogy to defeat a labor group, I think I would develope a plan to weaken the ability of the group to affect their impact on the day to day operation of the business. Maybe I could convince a portion of the labor group that a fair size portion of their group does not deserve to work for the company and that group is taking advantage of the other more worthy group. The undeserving group should be exersized from the colective bargaining group and then the company could properly compensate the more worthy work group. Say a few years later, There is a new need to reduce costs. Maybe we could not pay compensate new employees as much. Less vacation, less benifits, less pay. Of course current employees will have to sacrifice too, but I can scare them with threats of layoffs. What votes I can't get with scare tactics I can buy with an early out package. All those old timers will vote to screw the lower senior employees for a fat wad of cash and not have to deal with the consequencses. Say a few years later I can come up with another group to alienate, say smaller line stations that are a parisite and should be paid what I determine to be a fair market value. I have done this in the past and I am quite good at it now.

Is this Bob Crandall?  

 

[amtide]

there are 1632 title 2 at aa number 634 has 8/5/1995 seniority not very many with not a whole lot of seniority.

Just look at our title 1 seniority list and check the company seniorioty of people below you (like fleet service seniority of a lot of Amt's) and see if we are to be afected. One seniority only will change everything and is just not right.

 

[Vortilon]

If I was a company man trying to develope a stratogy to defeat a labor group, I think I would develope a plan to weaken the ability of the group to affect their impact on the day to day operation of the business. Maybe I could convince a portion of the labor group that a fair size portion of their group does not deserve to work for the company and that group is taking advantage of the other more worthy group. The undeserving group should be exersized from the colective bargaining group and then the company could properly compensate the more worthy work group. Say a few years later, There is a new need to reduce costs. Maybe we could not pay compensate new employees as much. Less vacation, less benifits, less pay. Of course current employees will have to sacrifice too, but I can scare them with threats of layoffs. What votes I can't get with scare tactics I can buy with an early out package. All those old timers will vote to screw the lower senior employees for a fat wad of cash and not have to deal with the consequencses. Say a few years later I can come up with another group to alienate, say smaller line stations that are a parisite and should be paid what I determine to be a fair market value. I have done this in the past and I am quite good at it now.
 
You would be walking a thin line with retaining employees once they saw the pay and benefits were better at the other carriers - let alone attracting new talent.  As far as eliminating overhaul completely, that would be a mistake as well.  Put yourself now in the shoes of the CEOs of the MROs now doing all the heavy checks (knowing you're the only show around).  The laws of supply and demand kick in, and bam - you hike the rates.  Well, frankly you have to - cause no AMT goes to school to work at an MRO.  Point is, there is plenty to consider before eliminating a "so called" less deserving group.
 
The TWU is the group with the mad skills at dividing the groups over the years.  They have bloodied the AMTs over my 30 years here.  Most of us will never forget that, and all the players involved from the TWU.  That goes back to Ed Kosiatek, Jim Little, Don Videtich, up to the current first round draft picks we currently enjoy...said no one ever....

 

[Slopoke]

I was hired in 85 just in time to not be a C Scaler.  I remember very well when the guys came in after Sept. 1st and found out they had no insurance until off probation and that the 3 month probation was now 6 months.  Also they added 3 years to the progression.  B Scale had 9 yrs and C Scale had 12 yrs.  TWU was the first to bring the different pay scales for the same job and they were the last to get rid of it.  TWU was also the first to give away free medical after AA had made record profits in 89.  Those of you did not get to experience the 80s at AA should not be surprised that we are the lowest paid with the worst benefits in the industry.  We've been that way since at least 1983.  I think that shows the TWU has been consistent in their inferior contracts negotiated on our behalf.  

 
 
IIRC, you also had to wait a year before you could get medical.

 

[JABORD]

Funny thing is that the B-Scale got whacked before they even became employees, they just didn't know.
b-scale 
JABORD, were you a TWU member in 1983-1985?

Negative Buck, was a proud IBT member in those years in the industry they need stay in, trucking.My entry to this game hadn't begun until '89. Hopefully our present Representation isn't too stubborn, or stupid, to take some lessons from a more credible organization. UAW;
"The new agreement delivers signing bonuses and raises for both entry-level workers and longtime workers and provides second-tier workers with an eight-year path to $29 per hour, making them nearly equal to workers hired before 2007 and effectively eliminating the two-tier wage system."
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2015/10/22/done-deal-uaw-confirms-ratification-fca-contract/74380230/

 

[dfw gen]

Negative Buck, was a proud IBT member in those years in the industry they need stay in, trucking.My entry to this game hadn't begun until '89. Hopefully our present Representation isn't too stubborn, or stupid, to take some lessons from a more credible organization. UAW;
"The new agreement delivers signing bonuses and raises for both entry-level workers and longtime workers and provides second-tier workers with an eight-year path to $29 per hour, making them nearly equal to workers hired before 2007 and effectively eliminating the two-tier wage system."
http://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/chrysler/2015/10/22/done-deal-uaw-confirms-ratification-fca-contract/74380230/

Unfortunately stupid and stubborn are what we are stuck with.

 

[TRAVIS]

Tell me that's a miss print, the IBT got the UAL Boys a tentative agreement of 25% to $46.15 immediate affect.Along with buyouts and a signing bonus and also a wage reset over rival airlines.
THEM BAD IBT BOYS.
THE IAM GOT ME 4% ! DON'T THAT JUST ROCK!

 

[TRAVIS]

Now I know it's a miss print, 33% over the contract!
They must have made a mistake, It had to be 3% because the IAM only could get us 4% and we know how good them High quality Top of THE PAY SCALE IAM contacts are.

 

[TRAVIS]

Haha.

 

[700UW]

Learn to read, it's a final offer not a TA, and it sells out the new mechanics and farms out all wide body maintenance etc. looks like it will be voted down.

But reading comprehension was never a strong point with you.

 

[Roadking5560]

I don't think you have a lot of room to talk.  You still don't get the inadequacies of your own IAM pension after many many attempts by more than a few people to enlighten you.  Does the pot calling the kettle black ring a bell?

 

[700UW]

The pension is 101% funded, its a multi-employer plan with numerous companies contributing to it for its employees.
 
Our pension was terminated in chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2005, the M&R at US got into the IAMNPF in 2008.
 
How well is your AA frozen pension when the pension for its TWU members is almost $2 billion underfunded?

 

[TRAVIS]

Learn to read, it's a final offer not a TA, and it sells out the new mechanics and farms out all wide body maintenance etc. looks like it will be voted down.
But reading comprehension was never a strong point with you.

So it is a miss print.
Man that make me feel so much better.
By the way it will not be the first time the OLD guys have thrown the young guys under the bus.
Was it not the IAM at United that had a A scale and B scale in one of them fine top of the line IAM contacts.