2015 AMT Discussion

[OldGuy@AA]

They're gonna have to bring more then that to affect most people in some of the senior stations like DFW

I disagree.  A layoff of that magnitude would affect the whole system.  Even DFW.

 

[OldGuy@AA]

 

That would be even worse if you guys had seen "juniority" for the concession it is/was.

At NW, we could bump anywhere on the system our seniority could hold. That absolutely made the company think twice before any RIFs took place.
 

Some of us did realize it but the A scalers were grandfathered so it was a non issue and they voted in the TA as usual.  We went in numbers to the hall and our "Leader" Ed Wilson told us all we were lucky to have a job.  The Koolaid drinkers didn't think twice about it until the layoffs hit in the 90s and the bumps were in JFK and LAX.  

 

[bigjets]

Yeah ok pal I know you are God's gift to us lowly AMTs.  Not a threat.  Reality.  You think 1200 AMTs bumping to the system would not create a domino effect?  You are so full of yourself and your superiority complex won't let you think rationally.  By the way....  I was on a mod line in the early 90s and I had TUESDAY and WEDNESDAY off here in Tulsa.  We can't CS where I work cupcake so keep posting the same old crap.  I stand by an earlier statement that you make all line guys look bad.  Skip a puddle and break a leg will ya?  Next up on the ignore list is you.

I think I'm a better mech then some not as good as others. I don't think Tulsa will take 800-1200 layoffs. I do think Pike is less then creditable. Layoffs will come to Tulsa, but when that happens I think a percentage will go to various line stations, but I predict DWH will get more hangar space from DFW. I think DFW will be just a terminal operation with DWH doing everything else. Just my prediction, so it means nothing.

 

[Roadking5560]

Do you want your negotiating committee to go to the table prepared or just wing it?

Make sure they have the Preparation H handy when they get bent over the table.

 

[Rogallo]

Well you can look at this in a few ways. First and most obvious is you guys better vote yes to save your union brothers jobs at Tulsa. Another might be that in order to save jobs AA and the union may have another deal up their sleeves. Another classification of AMT'S with no benefits is possible we will save jobs but we can only offer part time work since there will be less work. Just watch how this folds out to save union dues and keep cheap labor in Tulsa.

 
 
Funny you bring that up.
There are job codes for Part Time
 
9580 MECH-OVHL (0LIC) PT
9581 MECH-OVHL (1LIC) PT
9582 MECH-OVHL (2LIC) PT
 

9551 MECH-LINE (1LIC) PT
9552 MECH-LINE (2LIC) PT
9555 JR MECH-LINE PT

 
Think they'll use them?      You bet!

 

[Buck]

I think I'm a better mech then some not as good as others. I don't think Tulsa will take 800-1200 layoffs. I do think Pike is less then creditable. Layoffs will come to Tulsa, but when that happens I think a percentage will go to various line stations, but I predict DWH will get more hangar space from DFW. I think DFW will be just a terminal operation with DWH doing everything else. Just my prediction, so it means nothing.

Sad thing is that you ability does not matter with the TWU. You better have your A&P and get ready for jobs to be saved at the cost of increses in your salary or benefits. The ability in TUL for a Machinist to bump to the hangar might just get tested soon....
 
Ragallo, those codes have been there a long time and you are probably correct.

 

[Buck]

Q: How can AA and the ASSociation create a half paid OH mechanic when Parker has offered DL +7% (3%)?

 

[The Truth Will Set U Free]

Well.. everyone knows what really needs to be done... DFW has been doing IT for years.. Evidenced by all the work pulled out.. You and everyone should look to the stations that got the work.. The DWHs and MIAs of the system... the stations that get #### done.

DallasConehead you are 100% right. I work in MIA and I have been asking why we are not working with the other stations. The Guys that are on the 591 board , that are from MIA have been doing everything they can to take in all the work that is being taken away from the other stations. That shows you that GP and the rest of the board are not working together. 
 
Its time to get rid of all of them and put some people in there that can and will work together as one. 

 

[Overspeed]

MIA may be hurting soon. Heard that some engineers were down there showing them how we were going to stop doing BCs on the 767 and 777. It seems we are going to do 787 type ACs with between 15 and 20 people on the wide bodies. That way the company can do them more places than MIA or DFW. Looks like the US managers are driving the bus. APFA, APA, and the TWU wanted Team Doug to run the place.

 

[700UW]

 

[bigjets]

MIA may be hurting soon. Heard that some engineers were down there showing them how we were going to stop doing BCs on the 767 and 777. It seems we are going to do 787 type ACs with between 15 and 20 people on the wide bodies. That way the company can do them more places than MIA or DFW. Looks like the US managers are driving the bus. APFA, APA, and the TWU wanted Team Doug to run the place.

Changing the A ck isn't a big deal, but I believe the B cks will be replaced by phase cks which will requir a lot of mechs at every station along with stores personal. That's a whole lot logistics involved. Now we are talking where ever a plane sits will do some amount of cards, that means a lot more line mechs, as we are not really over staffed right now.

I'm willing to bet line stations like TPA MCO AUS SAT etc will get more mechs eventually.

 

[bigjets]

I think the association will top this since the IAM is in charge, their contract was better then outs after two bankruptcys. Seems like the IAM president is ready to negotiate where GP is saying we are going to have this contract until 2018. Not sure why GP wants to wait so long.

 

[Salty Dog]

I like how you Tulsa like to threaten line stations with your seniority. Once you get to the line station you'll realize working for an airline means days with weekends off rarely happens. Use to happen for senior guys, but all the shops that use to be at line stations moved to Tulsa.
You guys will soon learn that pay is the most important thing, because you can always CS. especially for the guys trying to commute home. So welcome when you finally get to a line station.
S80 going away, lite C being done during phase insp, Airbus being done somewhere else, iam not selling out AMTs with OSMs, DWH getting another 100 mechs doesn't look good for TUL

I wouldn't count on being able to CS and commute. Rumor has it they are going to screw that up for us!

 

[Bob Owens]

Yeah ok pal I know you are God's gift to us lowly AMTs.  Not a threat.  Reality.  You think 1200 AMTs bumping to the system would not create a domino effect?  You are so full of yourself and your superiority complex won't let you think rationally.  By the way....  I was on a mod line in the early 90s and I had TUESDAY and WEDNESDAY off here in Tulsa.  We can't CS where I work cupcake so keep posting the same old crap.  I stand by an earlier statement that you make all line guys look bad.  Skip a puddle and break a leg will ya?  Next up on the ignore list is you.

I know that you are one of the guys in Tulsa that has tried to do the right thing for the profession. Unfortunately there weren't enough of you there. IMO if you are senior or have a specialized skill and only have five more years or so, don't sweat any of this stuff. But younger A&Ps in Tulsa should really think about what their next move will be, find another job and stay in Tulsa, wait till a RIF and go with what's left, NY and LAX, or try and get somewhere of their choosing prior to a RIF.
The dynamics have changed, the inclusion of the USAIRWAYS guys will tilt the numbers strongly in favor of the line. The line has no interest in agreeing to bottom of the industry to save Tulsa and Tulsa no longer has the numbers to force that into place. That's just reality.
Would a 1200 man layoff affect DFW? I doubt it, it would most defineately affect NY1, ORD and LAX. In a way that a good thing, because that's why it may not happen. Ironically the Juniority pool may work in Tulsa's favor because it limits the options.
Currently Tulsa has 2794 AMTs, the line has 3503.1200 would bring Tulsa down to 1990 seniority. The bottom guy in DFW has 2011, the guy just above him has 2003. Of the bottom 1200 on the line 114 are in DFW . So if all 1200 bumped the system The Bottom 114 in DFW would be effected. If only 500 bumped and passed the test then one guy in DFW could be bumped the others would have to go to JFK\LGA(176), LAX (73), ORD (137), MIA (85), and a few in ATL, BOS, DCA,EWR,PHL,SAN,SEA, & SFO. Pretty much all high cost areas where a 1600 square foot home within 50 miles of work would run at least $300k.
My guess is that most of the bottom 1200, even the bottom 500, would not be swayed by saving Tulsa in exchange for bottom of the industry, Tule is now just another station that is no more secure than JFK, LAX or even EWR. Who knows, with the move towards phase checks and any from B and C checks the line may be able to absorb any reductions made in Tulsa. As the 757s and MD80s go away the Airbus and 737s etc will be coming into heavier and heavier phase checks on the line. The company would be getting more effecient use of their expensive line hangar space in places like MIA, JFK, LGA, BOS,ORD, DFW, LAX, STL ,SFO, PHL,DCA?,CLT, PIT, PHX (Did I leave anyone out? )

 

[Badwlmson]

Or the talk of a Tulsa layoff is just to get more people to take buyout. I heard several months ago that AA was considering a 100k buyout also but the fear was not many would take with the new raise. Greed is a powerful thing, lol. We have a LOT of people over 60 here that would leave if they would just bridge the insurance.