2015 AMT Discussion

[WeAAsles]

There's about 10-12,000 of us...

That can't be possible Kev? 1AA says that you were outsourced years ago. And that guy has never told a lie on Forums ever.

 

[Kev3188]

It's an easy assumption to make; unfortunately, he company has earned a reputation for farming all kinds of work out, including the ramp.

And if 1AA happens to be in DFW, it's even easier, since they /did/ outsource the entire ramp there. Only reason it's open again is because it was also a NW station...

 

[1AA]

That can't be possible Kev? 1AA says that you were outsourced years ago. And that guy has never told a lie on Forums ever.

Big difference between a lie and misinformation. 700 stated missinformation, I'll agree with him but Kev stated their is outsourcing but clarified the details and broke it down. Thanks Kev. And now back to our my regularly scheduled topic of discussion.

 

[FWAAA]

NO, YOU FAIL. SWA does NOT outsource 73%-DEAD wrong chief. Only 4 lines of C checks in hous?  WRONG again dum as. YOU actually failed at your spin!! I am done telling you how many A/C and mechanics we have, I am also done in telling you how many lines of maint we have. Educate yourself before you post. You still look like an idiot...

You guys are talking past each other. Southwest has four lines of heavy overhaul, as provided under your contract. There were three, and once the fleet hit 621, your scope clause required a fourth.

700 misspoke when he said "C checks" as those are not necessarily heavy maintenance. Under your contract, all C checks are in-house. Obviously, WN calls heavy overhaul something else - at AA they were (still?) called "Heavy C checks." According to AA, a narrowbody C check is performed about every 15-18 months, takes about three days and about 2,100 man-hours.

Every few years, a heavy C check is performed, which takes 3-5 weeks and requires 20,000 to 30,000 man-hours. Except for the four lines at DAL, all WN heavy airframe overhauls are performed by contractors. WN says so in its 10-K, where it tells investors that WN performs "substantially all" of its line maintenance in-house, but contracts with outsiders for most of its heavy overhauls, and they consume the majority of WN's maintenance expenses.
 

Correct. Our union has been very successful in bringing in more and more maint since taking over from the teamsters.  Not to mention all the back shop work that has been brought in. AMFA has been very successful in doubling if not tripling the lines of maint in Dallas. Our C-check lines are growing and have been growing for a long time. Added maint lines are going into DEN, LAX, BWI, and HOU as we speak. Ask if any other union has brought in so many lines of maint within this amount of time period anywhere.  HELLO 700, get your information before you post, you continue to look like an idiot...

Correct. But those C checks don't take much time or money. Your contract guarantees that all of them will be performed in-house. They certainly don't require very many mechanics, as the roster of AMTs does not appear to be growing very fast at WN. Just 2,300 AMTs, plus 300 stock clerks and 200 appearance techs (cleaners). That's a lean workforce for more than 700 aircraft.

 

[Worldport]

You guys are talking past each other. Southwest has four lines of heavy overhaul, as provided under your contract. There were three, and once the fleet hit 621, your scope clause required a fourth.

700 misspoke when he said "C checks" as those are not necessarily heavy maintenance. Under your contract, all C checks are in-house. Obviously, WN calls heavy overhaul something else - at AA they were (still?) called "Heavy C checks." According to AA, a narrowbody C check is performed about every 15-18 months, takes about three days and about 2,100 man-hours.

Every few years, a heavy C check is performed, which takes 3-5 weeks and requires 20,000 to 30,000 man-hours. Except for the four lines at DAL, all WN heavy airframe overhauls are performed by contractors. WN says so in its 10-K, where it tells investors that WN performs "substantially all" of its line maintenance in-house, but contracts with outsiders for most of its heavy overhauls, and they consume the majority of WN's maintenance expenses.
 

Correct. But those C checks don't take much time or money. Your contract guarantees that all of them will be performed in-house. They certainly don't require very many mechanics, as the roster of AMTs does not appear to be growing very fast at WN. Just 2,300 AMTs, plus 300 stock clerks and 200 appearance techs (cleaners). That's a lean workforce for more than 700 aircraft.

These are facts from a neutral well informed source, that's that. Appearance techs? wow, no wonder you guys think so highly of yourselves

 

[WeAAsles]

These are facts from a neutral well informed source, that's that. Appearance techs? wow, no wonder you guys think so highly of yourselves

Weren't you just saying the other day that Garbagemen are now Sanitarial engineers?

"I'm a cab driver. I'm the only cab driver who works here"

Judd Hirsh playing Alex Reager in TAXI.

 

[Worldport]

Weren't you just saying the other day that Garbagemen are now Sanitarial engineers?

"I'm a cab driver. I'm the only cab driver who works here"

Judd Hirsh playing Alex Reager in TAXI.

 A  Garbageman makes 150k a year they deserve to have a title  and be pompous if they want. How can an underpaid AMT who always gets Sh!t on be pompous?

 

[Kev3188]

DL has appearance techs too. They generally just clean/paint GSE, though...

The equivalent to WN's are called something else over here, (I think?) are only at the ATL base...

 

[WeAAsles]

A  Garbageman makes 150k a year they deserve to have a title  and be pompous if they want. How can an underpaid AMT who always gets Sh!t on be pompous?

I guess I'm ok with Baggage Handler. Try to explain Fleet Service Clerk or Ramp Agent to a woman when you go on a date and you lose about a half hour trying to make yourself look more special than you really are.

 

[700UW]

Sisters and Brothers:
 
The Mechanic & Related/Stores Negotiating Committee met with American Airlines the week of April 11th in DFW. During this week’s sessions, your Negotiating Committee reached tentative agreement on the following articles:
 
• Leaves of Absences: After exchanging multiple proposals with the company we have reached a tentative agreement on this article.
 
• Part Time Employees: We have reached a tentative agreement on this article, which eliminates the article from the contract entirely.
 
During this session, we worked on the following articles:
 
• Hours of Service:  We have exchanged multiple proposals on this article but remain far apart from a tentative agreement with the company.
 
• Meal Period:  We have exchanged this proposal with the company and plan for it to coincide with the Hours of Service article.
 
• Sick Leave:  We have exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• Shift Swaps:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article, which is currently found in the IAM contract under “General and Miscellaneous Article”.
 
• MCT Hours of Service:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• MTS Hours of Service:  We received the company’s first proposal on this article.
 
• Grievance Procedure:  We are awaiting answers from the company on discipline and discharge procedures.
 
The parties have agreed to the negotiations schedule below for the next three months:
• The week of April 18- DFW
• The week of April 25- DCA
• The week of May 9  – DCA
• The week of May 16- DFW
• The week of May 23- DFW
• The week of June 13- DFW
• The week of June 20- DFW
• The week of June 27- DFW

 

[Worldport]

I guess I'm ok with Baggage Handler. Try to explain Fleet Service Clerk or Ramp Agent to a woman when you go on a date and you lose about a half hour trying to make yourself look more special than you really are.

Just say I work for the airlines and I just pay tax when i fly. Usually with my dates I only have a half an hour anyway anything more is $60

 

[MetalMover]

Oh look posting misinformation.

I am still waiting for you to show me where we have 14000 AMTs at LAA.

 

[WeAAsles]

Sisters and Brothers:
 
The Mechanic & Related/Stores Negotiating Committee met with American Airlines the week of April 11th in DFW. During this week’s sessions, your Negotiating Committee reached tentative agreement on the following articles:
 
• Leaves of Absences: After exchanging multiple proposals with the company we have reached a tentative agreement on this article.
 
• Part Time Employees: We have reached a tentative agreement on this article, which eliminates the article from the contract entirely.
 
During this session, we worked on the following articles:
 
• Hours of Service:  We have exchanged multiple proposals on this article but remain far apart from a tentative agreement with the company.
 
• Meal Period:  We have exchanged this proposal with the company and plan for it to coincide with the Hours of Service article.
 
• Sick Leave:  We have exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• Shift Swaps:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article, which is currently found in the IAM contract under “General and Miscellaneous Article”.
 
• MCT Hours of Service:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• MTS Hours of Service:  We received the company’s first proposal on this article.
 
• Grievance Procedure:  We are awaiting answers from the company on discipline and discharge procedures.
 
The parties have agreed to the negotiations schedule below for the next three months:
• The week of April 18- DFW
• The week of April 25- DCA
• The week of May 9  – DCA
• The week of May 16- DFW
• The week of May 23- DFW
• The week of June 13- DFW
• The week of June 20- DFW
• The week of June 27- DFW

Interesting. Does that mean no PT employees at all? How many PT mechanics are there currently on both sides?

 

[MetalMover]

Sisters and Brothers:
 
The Mechanic & Related/Stores Negotiating Committee met with American Airlines the week of April 11th in DFW. During this week’s sessions, your Negotiating Committee reached tentative agreement on the following articles:
 
• Leaves of Absences: After exchanging multiple proposals with the company we have reached a tentative agreement on this article.
 
• Part Time Employees: We have reached a tentative agreement on this article, which eliminates the article from the contract entirely.
 
During this session, we worked on the following articles:
 
• Hours of Service:  We have exchanged multiple proposals on this article but remain far apart from a tentative agreement with the company.
 
• Meal Period:  We have exchanged this proposal with the company and plan for it to coincide with the Hours of Service article.
 
• Sick Leave:  We have exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• Shift Swaps:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article, which is currently found in the IAM contract under “General and Miscellaneous Article”.
 
• MCT Hours of Service:  We exchanged proposals with the company on this article.
 
• MTS Hours of Service:  We received the company’s first proposal on this article.
 
• Grievance Procedure:  We are awaiting answers from the company on discipline and discharge procedures.
 
The parties have agreed to the negotiations schedule below for the next three months:
• The week of April 18- DFW
• The week of April 25- DCA
• The week of May 9  – DCA
• The week of May 16- DFW
• The week of May 23- DFW
• The week of June 13- DFW
• The week of June 20- DFW
• The week of June 27- DFW

Finally getting to the more important articles.

 

[WeAAsles]

I am still waiting for you to show me where we have 14000 AMTs at LAA.

Could you have 14000 between the two groups when combined? Airline Financials doesn't do updates anymore. Or the MIT Data Project.

How many are there currently on the seniority roster in Jetnet? Separating the Titles of course.