2014 Pilot Discussion

[end_of_alpa]

The actual number is roughly $15,000 each.  Not a bad take....but they are still stuck with their seniority at AAL.  The West really sued the wrong guys.  ALPA merger policy was the one that promised "final and binding".  You might have gotten more from them.  You guys keep wallowing in that self-pity and fantasy of USAPA will pay.

Sorry, my bad....I found the payment spread-sheet farther down.  Wow, what a payday for the middle guys!

 

[nevergiveup]

So how does one get catcrew on the ipad?

 

[Claxon]

Looks like a Roger Velez has attracted the harsh spotlight of Justice again......
Marty gets Fergie to use Velez as bait. Marty gets $$. The circle of Leonidas always leads to Marty's pocket.

 

[Barrister]

Learn what? Every move your side made was anticipated. It's of no concern.

Let me ask again
If USAPA was found not liable for a DFR what makes you think the APA is worried
APA has enough money and legal opinions to beat you like a cheap drum
Please just answer the FQ ????
Nicdoa
Npjb

 

[CactusPilot1]

Let me ask again
If USAPA was found not liable for a DFR what makes you think the APA is worried
APA has enough money and legal opinions to beat you like a cheap drum
Please just answer the FQ ????
Nicdoa
Npjb

Did you miss this part?


"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."

Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.

Nicok
Nutjob

 

[Phoenix]

Did you miss this part?


"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."

Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.

Nicok
Nutjob

 
 
Dude you need to take a break and find a building with some air conditioning.  The heat is getting to you.
 

 

[exB717Flyer]

Well, so far, what have they done for you...

1. They prevented you from cramming your DOH list down our throats. 
2. They've led us to this point of representing ourselves at the SLI arbitration with AA.
 
Not everything we're entitled to but despite the endless mantra of "The Nic is dead" from Easties the Nic will be a continue topic of conversation in front of the arbitrators.  Still feeling lucky?

 

[EastCheats]

Did you miss this part?
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.
Nicok
Nutjob

Yup, they missed that part about being decertified. U-sapass just sent an email about travel. Here's a thought, take it up with your union, the APA.

There is a Kiwanis Club meeting in Charlotte today. I wonder how that is going? Too bad they have to buy their own lunch.

 

[EastCheats]

Dude you need to take a break and find a building with some air conditioning.  The heat is getting to you.
 

I guess it's a meeting of the Breakfast Club.

 

[Claxon]

answer to catcrew ipad question.
 
Give them a call, they will help you get set up.
 
http://www.catcr3wmobile.com/download_info.htm

 

[Phoenix]

I guess it's a meeting of the Breakfast Club.

70% of West pilots are too young to remember where that fried egg pic came from.

 

[nycbusdriver]

Yes, and now that the Preliminary Arbitration Panel has been selected, the West MC issue could be heard and decided by the end of November, long before AOL's appeal at the 9th even gets rolling.  

 
Oh, were your timeline only true.  Getting 3 very busy arbitrators, the unions and the company to come up with an actual time to meet is going to take months.  All 6 parties will likely have an overlapping "open date" sometime in early 2015.  And then, if things aren't tied up quickly (which they NEVER are,) they will then need to adjourn and pick another date to mop up.
 
This whole process could take years.  I don't care what the negotiated timeline is.  Has anyone EVER seen a negotiated timeline NOT extended over and over by mutual consent?  Happnes virtually every time.  Negotiated timelines are the biggest fantasy ever.

 

[Phoenix]

1. They prevented you from cramming your DOH list down our throats. 
2. They've led us to this point of representing ourselves at the SLI arbitration with AA.
 
Not everything we're entitled to but despite the endless mantra of "The Nic is dead" from Easties the Nic will be a continue topic of conversation in front of the arbitrators.  Still feeling lucky?

Self appointed, unelected "reps" will be representing you in the preliminary arbitration panel in hopes of being awarded the right, but not the responsibility, to represent the West in the SLI arbitration.. Good luck!!

If they lose the prelim arb your appeal at the 9th is dead in the water and there is no one to sue for anything... If they win you will learn three things... 1) your appeal at the 9th is dismissed and there is no one left to sue for anything, 2) the meaning of "status quo" excludes Nic, and 3) it sucks to enter arbitration from the least profitable hub.

But take heart, you guys have always demanded "Nic or nothing."

 

[nycbusdriver]

I believe that the APA will let the west's fate be determined by the Preliminary Arbitration panel.
If the west isn't granted standing for a MC, the game is over.
The APA and USAPA MCs will agree to a SLI out of arbitration and the west will be screwed.
 
 

 
The west won't be "screwed."  They won't ever have the Nicolau list, but that simply means the east won't get screwed.
 
The west list will be presented along with the jobs being brought to the table.  Negotiated, or arbitrated, the SLI will undoubetdly be a slotted list, essentially by seat and equipment.  There may be some nod to LOS, but who know knows.  
 
It just will not be egregiously unfair as was the Nicolau abomination. 

 

[Claxon]

Did you miss this part?
"Finally, USAPA must not ignore that Judge Silver also ruled that “when USAPA is no longer the certified representative, it must immediately stop participating in the seniority integration.” Id. at 21:11-to 21:12. We are confident that neither APA nor New American will assist USAPA in violating a court order or otherwise breaching its duty of fair representation to the West Pilots."
Why are you dragging us into a fight with the APA when there is none? The APA should be more concerned by a decertified "anti-union" interfering with it's business and they should beat Ucrapa LLC to a pulp.
Nicok
Nutjob

Nutcase. Per M/B USAPA participates in SLI. No matter what a confused Phoenix judge doesn't understand about law. Then again Wake was clueless as well.