2014 Pilot Discussion

[Black Swan]

Wrong. 
 
1985 US Air = 1997 AA = 1998 AWA

Your equation of your value was rejected. As many times you go to the blackboard and write it, it gets erased instantly. Unlike numbers with real value, and a theorem which can be proved to be actual and real- your postulation means absolutely nothing.
USAIR 1985 = limited chance( maybe 6 slots)330 reserve capt PHL, 757 cap,solid senior 320, CLT 320,767cap, DCA 320 capt.
1998 AWA= PHX 320 f/0, junior 320 capt
Those are the cards you bring to the table. One base, one plane. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[EastUS1]

We've dealt with a constant threat since merging with the unmergeables. The threat is being dealt with as we speak. Now, American is going to inherit the unmergeables and their problems.

 
Sigh...You don't have any clue about what a "constant threat" even is kid. As for the "unmergeables"; would that be the group that's actually experienced several mergers, or the dyspeptic "spartans"?
 
Take some good, long deep breaths and at least consider growing up...or just stay locked inside some bitter little fantasy and remain miserable. Your petulant anger affects none but yourself. Your choice.
 
P.S. Whenever any group decides to declare "all out warfare" as did your Johnny M; it must always be considered that nothing ever says a given side will win, no matter how "righteous"...Just sayin'.

 

[EastUS1]

I agree with you here. I wouldn't be one bit surprised to see the AA guy next to me on the master list with a DOH after mine. AA has a lot going for it heading into this arbitration. I'm good with whatever happens, as long as it's put together by the unbiased arbitrators after the appropriate testimony and vetting. I can only speak for myself, but the NIC at all costs is a red herring. What I always objected to was the stacked deck the east insisted on from the JNC pullout onward. I've spent thousands, and I don't care if I see the NIC again. I just don't want any one group either unilaterally deciding it or stacking the deck so much that it is effectively the same thing.

I prefer the west have a seat, but even if we don't get one I do take comfort in the fact that 3 arbitrators will be almost certainly be constructing the list.

 
LS; At least this all looks to be heading towards a final closure in the not too distant future.  I can only hope that all with many years yet to work will be able to then put this behind them, and enjoy what should be decent careers.
 
I've no doubt that there will come trying times in the future when work group solidarity will be needed to succeed against the always predictable swings in rapacious management practices. Whether anyone was an evil "easthole" or mighty "spartan" won't matter to the overall circumstances then, unless people let it.

 

[Black Swan]

Coincidentally, your 13 years at AWA is what you want to erase from a 1985 US Air hire. Black Swan's statement is correct.

Make that 1998 AWA hire stack their W2 and vacation against an Airways 85 hire. It gets even worse in an arbitration. Use the East 330 left seater 85 hire. I can legitimately show a base alignment in PHL showing that. What do you have in your wallet Prechillill? Fact versus fiction. Prechillil writes fiction. I write facts.

 

[Beancounter]

Sorry if I sidetrack the discussion on seniority. In the last week I had 2 American commuters on the jumpseat. Both nice guys and both unaware of the benefits of our current IVR system. They didn't realize that by being the primary you're practically guaranteed of going. May I suggest if any of you are in favor of our current system maybe passing on the details of its benefits. I'm sure you will, but please do so in a polite non intrusive manner. If the majority of their pilots want the jump seat to go by DOH so be it, but I think that may not be the case.

Bean

 

[Black Swan]

Sorry if I sidetrack the discussion on seniority. In the last week I had 2 American commuters on the jumpseat. Both nice guys and both unaware of the benefits of our current IVR system. They didn't realize that by being the primary you're practically guaranteed of going. May I suggest if any of you are in favor of our current system maybe passing on the details of its benefits. I'm sure you will, but please do so in a polite non intrusive manner. If the majority of their pilots want the jump seat to go by DOH so be it, but I think that may not be the case.
Bean

Google idea Beancounter. Thx

 

[prechilill]

 
Exactly!  The east has taken advantage of the attrition they wished to protect in 2007.  I think we are well positioned for a list slotted by equipment with a nod to longevity.

 
You will get that slotting, promise... Based on a 2005 snapshot!  LOL
 
Your situational ethics notwithstanding, you are a piece of work Gramps!

 

[prechilill]

This arbitration panel has grasped the concept of credit for longevity in the past, for sure. I doubt that there is anything special about the 35% number outside of the specific numbers associated with the United and Continental merger. If the longevity number in our merger ended up the same it would be purely coincedental.


seajay

A US Air 1989 hire has the same longevity as a 2003 hire at AWA...
 
Glad to see you are starting to come around to reality.

 

[EastUS1]

A US Air 1989 hire has the same longevity as a 2003 hire at AWA...
 
Glad to see you are starting to come around to reality.

 
You should consider at least visiting reality sometimes yourself. It'd do you a world of good, and would help prep you a bit for what's to actually come.  As always; good luck with your fantasies.

 

[EastCheats]

You dimwits keep talking about jail and incarceration.  Unless you can fast-talk some district attorney into prosecuting (and winning), there cannot be jail time with a civil suit.   The best you can hope for is to win a civil suit with damages, and in light of how things have gone for you dimsits so far, that is unlikely in the extreme.

Cactuspilot1 is correct. I encourage you to keep marching towards the cliff.

Good luck.

Not really.

 

[flyingskier]

A US Air 1989 hire has the same longevity as a 2003 hire at AWA...
 
Glad to see you are starting to come around to reality.

Negative PC, a small percentage of 89 hires were part of the 283 furloughed in 1991 and recalled in 1998. Of the 283 furloughed, only a few remain today. The vast majority of 89 hires were either not furloughed at all or were furloughed for only 3 or 4 months in 91. Another west fairy tale..

Skier

 

[prechilill]

Negative PC, a small percentage of 89 hires were part of the 283 furloughed in 1991 and recalled in 1998. Of the 283 furloughed, only a few remain today. The vast majority of 89 hires were either not furloughed at all or were furloughed for only 3 or 4 months in 91. Another west fairy tale..

Skier

Fiction.  Pure fiction you post. 
1989 was furloughed for quite a bit longer than 3-4 months.

 

[CactusPilot1]

A US Air 1989 hire has the same longevity as a 2003 hire at AWA...
 
Glad to see you are starting to come around to reality.

Correct.

The merger with American is not going to give them a do-over. The Nic is the only list the company accepted. Arbitrators will not look favorably on arbitrations being avoided. If they allow an this to be evaded, they realize it jeapordizes the arbitration process as a whole. They know they would be shooting themselves in the foot. Ucrapa LLC knows this and doesn't want to see another arbitration. They are in a really bad spot and they know it. Too bad East pilots are going to lose that $2500 on wasted attorney fees on a wild goose chase.

 

[prechilill]

Correct.

The merger with American is not going to give them a do-over. The Nic is the only list the company accepted. Arbitrators will not look favorably on arbitrations being avoided. If they allow an this to be evaded, they realize it jeapordizes the arbitration process as a whole. They know they would be shooting themselves in the foot. Ucrapa LLC knows this and doesn't want to see another arbitration. They are in a really bad spot and they know it. Too bad East pilots are going to lose that $2500 on wasted attorney fees on a wild goose chase.

I agree.  The east loves to live with their heads up each others' butts and pretend things are just fine.  Reality is going to hit them hard in about 9 months from now with a SLI that has Nicolau firmly in place.  It will be fun to watch them bang their heads again like the first time Nic was issued!

 

[flyingskier]

Fiction.  Pure fiction you post. 
1989 was furloughed for quite a bit longer than 3-4 months.

Not sure where you're getting your info but US Air peaked at 444 airplanes in the summer of 1991. Schofield decided to park the 727's and furloughed in the summer of 1991 only to turn around and recall most of the pilots they furloughed by December of 1991. True tale, not the fairy tale your promoting..

Skier