2014 Pilot Discussion

[EastUS1]

I found a challenge you actually can win...

 
I wish I could be equally generous, but it's more difficult for me to imagine any challenge you could actually win, which you're fully aware of, or you might even accept one. I'm pretty secure in the thought that my original wager would be easily won, so you needn't fret over examining any others for my sake.
 
Hit us all up with another rousing round of "Integrity Matters" and "This is Sparta!" at your earliest convenience, and thanks again for the always dependable laughs.

 

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I wish I could be equally generous, but it's more difficult for me to imagine any challenge you could actually win, which you're fully aware of, or you might even accept one. I'm pretty secure in the thought that my original wager would be easily won, so you needn't fret over examining any others for my sake.
 
Hit us all up with another rousing round of "Integrity Matters" and "This is Sparta!" at your earliest convenience, and thanks again for the always dependable laughs.

 
I had wins and the varsity letter jacket I earned. I never got any trophies just for participating as it should be in life and competition.

This kid gets it....

Make Trophies Matter Its time to shelve participation awards, Thursday Editorials.

I have to agree about participation trophies. I also think that they should be taken out of sports. I think telling kids that they always win is a bad thing because it keeps them from knowing the truth, which is that in the real world, you do not always win.

Kids are not motivated to do their best if they know that they are always going to win. If a kid can win for doing nothing, then they are trained at a young age to not try, and not trying will not work in the real world.

I also think that the sportsmanship trophies are an amazing idea. It gives kids the chance to be better people and rewards being a good person. In this way, kids learn good morals, not that they need to be recognized for doing nothing.

This is why I agree. I should know, because I am a kid: I am in the 8th grade.

Eric Brem, Carrollton"

http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/stop-giving-out-participating-trophies-we-kids-can-take-it.html/

Bottom line, you want your union to correct some perceived injustice by a "biased"
arbitrator" because you had certain expectations. You were heard, a determination was made, it was fair. You fear arbitration because you'll make the same arguments and it is likely there will be a similar result. There are not going to be participation awards handed out during SLI.

 

[EastUS1]

 
I had wins and the varsity letter jacket I earned. I never got any trophies just for participating as it should be in life and competition.
 

 
"the varsity letter jacket I earned"...?  It seems you have me beat there. I had to struggle through my athletic life with merely USA Team uniforms for the most part. All such were naturally awarded to any of us on a purely "relative" basis by some whimsical arbitrator, of course, and in NO way reflected years of dedicated endeavor....
 
"There are not going to be participation awards handed out during SLI." So stop being coy with us all. Exactly what is it about your bunch that makes you all so truly "special" and "entitled"?  I'm not sayin' that the "varsity letter jacket" isn't a huge selling point, but what else ya' got?
 
P.S. What happened to you along the way regarding the "I earned" part of life's journey? No matter now, I suppose, but "you'se" might want to revisit that idea someday. Per "the varsity letter jacket"?....Any given guppy in a tiny enough fish bowl can likely imagine it's self to be a great white shark and master of the world's oceans...and perhaps even a mighty "spartan"...? Don't break your nose up against the glass while admiring your reflection.

 

[EastUS1]

 Bottom line, you want your union to correct some perceived injustice by a "biased"
arbitrator" because you had certain expectations.

 
"certain expectations."?  = Guess again. Substitute instead at least some semblance of personal Principles. Should the day dawn when "you'se" can actually make ANY personal or group case as to why any of you are morally or even at ALL rationally "entitled" to jump ahead of others who've actually worked many more years than yourselves, and that purely for your own selfish interests,  I'll listen....?...?

 

[luvthe9]

I usually don't dry clean the T's before I run down to the gym.
 
How come I never see Courtney with his big boy pants on the treadmill?

BoJangles not Bobs Big boy, try to keep up! Hang in there T Bone.

 

[end_of_alpa]

I had wins and the varsity letter jacket I earned. I never got any trophies just for participating as it should be in life and competition.
This kid gets it....Make Trophies Matter Its time to shelve participation awards, Thursday Editorials.
I have to agree about participation trophies. I also think that they should be taken out of sports. I think telling kids that they always win is a bad thing because it keeps them from knowing the truth, which is that in the real world, you do not always win.
Kids are not motivated to do their best if they know that they are always going to win. If a kid can win for doing nothing, then they are trained at a young age to not try, and not trying will not work in the real world.
I also think that the sportsmanship trophies are an amazing idea. It gives kids the chance to be better people and rewards being a good person. In this way, kids learn good morals, not that they need to be recognized for doing nothing.
This is why I agree. I should know, because I am a kid: I am in the 8th grade.
Eric Brem, Carrollton"http://letterstotheeditorblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/stop-giving-out-participating-trophies-we-kids-can-take-it.html/
Bottom line, you want your union to correct some perceived injustice by a "biased"
arbitrator" because you had certain expectations. You were heard, a determination was made, it was fair. You fear arbitration because you'll make the same arguments and it is likely there will be a similar result. There are not going to be participation awards handed out during SLI.

FYI no arbitrations are ever the same and this next one likely will look like DOH if not better for US Airways pilots. In any case at this moment AOL nor APA have any legal basis to give AOL a seat at the table.

 

[Phoenix]

FYI no arbitrations are ever the same and this next one likely will look like DOH if not better for US Airways pilots. In any case at this moment AOL nor APA have any legal basis to give AOL a seat at the table.

AOL has the costume but no invitation to the party.

Free advice for Marty Initiates... You have only two ways to have an AOL rep at the arbitration table... 1) ALL participants agree or 2) a court of competent jurisdiction compels it (in spite of Judge Silver's ruling).

Moral: dig deep in that wallet!! Real deep!

 

[Claxon]

Remember the dispute over billing when you and Lee Seham divorced?
 
This has got to be another favorite..
 
The Commercial from Leeman, Sheman and Shyster titled: 
 
She Leeman II
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5iGAAAo2v0
 
And....there was romance..
 
The Girlfriend
Lee Seham had an attorney working in his firm that had been doing legal work for USAPA.  This female attorney started dating the USAPA VP – Randy Mowrey.  One of his clients, an Officer of a labor union, was dating one of his staff members who was closely involved in legal work for the client – the labor union — a big problem!
(A new law firm for USAPA, O’Dwyer and Bernstien, have said it is not a problem…Even though they are lawyers and they are not directly involved, they do not know the entire history and they do not know all the details.  It is a real problem for another firm to say there is no ethical problem when the principles of the firm involved say there is. We believe that it is not a call for outsiders to make.)
 
The Seham attorney who is romantically involved with USAPA VP Randy Mowrey has stopped working for Lee Seham.  The details of her separation from the law firm Seham, Seham, Meltz, and Petersen are not known as they are covered under confidentiality and non-disclosure agreements
 
http://compasscorrectioncoalition.com/2011/10/25/romance-at-the-usapa-headquarters/
 
USAPA...the soap opera

You know even Patton had to be shelved by Ike. With Omar Bradley in the wings, no worries.
Lee was a good warhorse, and won his battles.
There is more than one way to win a war, and there are many leaders to employ.
William Wilder is a lot like Ike. He will see this one through to the end.
Marty? He didn't know the first thing about it. Never measured up on his own.

 

[EastUS1]

  I never got any trophies just for participating as it should be in life and competition.

This kid gets it......

 
So why is it that you not only expect, but even irrationally demand any "trophies just for participating" at AWA?..And if even a "kid gets it"; why don't "you'se"?
 
I do apologize for immediately and insultingly going off on the "varsity letter jacket" bit. We all do the best we can with what abilities and drive we're blessed with, but when you started down the road of bragging about wins, trophies and the like, well, how could I not "relatively" chuckle at least a little bit? As a "Pilot"; you've always some evasive dodge for even a recreational flying wager, and your subsequent chest-puffing amounted to nothing more than presumptuous trumpeting of local schoolboy level athletics....At least give me something to work with here, and not be basically forced to laugh at "spartan"....?
 
I'll leave you with my earlier thought: What happened to you along the way regarding the "I earned" part of life's journey? No matter now, I suppose, but "you'se" might want to revisit that idea someday.

 

[luvthe9]

FYI no arbitrations are ever the same and this next one likely will look like DOH if not better for US Airways pilots. In any case at this moment AOL nor APA have any legal basis to give AOL a seat at the table.

Agreed, that's why I can't figure out why Wilson does not want to protect all the wide body slots at AA, they stand so much to loose.

 

[Phoenix]

Agreed, that's why I can't figure out why Wilson does not want to protect all the wide body slots at AA, they stand so much to loose.

It's never too early to avail oneself of the opportunity for extreme delay, and it's never too late to compromise at the last minute of a lengthy delay that is extended beyond what anyone could have anticipated....

 

[EastUS1]

It's never too early to avail oneself of the opportunity for extreme delay, and it's never too late to compromise at the last minute of a lengthy delay that is extended beyond what anyone could have anticipated....

 
Agreed. I'm holding off betting on the final result, since the APA's clearly still working on how much they feel they can manipulate everything/anything. One thing's certain; if ever fertile ground existed for endless litigation....it's certainly to be found here.

 

[luvthe9]

Agreed. I'm holding off betting on the final result, since the APA's clearly still working on how much they feel they can manipulate everything/anything. One thing's certain; if ever fertile ground existed for endless litigation....it's certainly to be found here.

My APA buddies tell me they also want this take as long as possible so they can make the most of their attrition, works for us I would say big time.

 

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APA INFORMATION HOTLINE​

This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Thursday, July 24.
APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: The APA board of directors reconvened at 9 a.m. at union headquarters in Fort Worth.
In her report, APA Secretary-Treasurer FO Pam Torell reiterated the Financial Audit Committee's recommendation that APA enact a three-month dues holiday for members. By unanimous motion, the board directed that APA proceed with a three-month dues moratorium. We will provide details of the timing of this moratorium shortly. FO Torell also addressed APA's planning for a membership drive in the CLT, DCA, PHL and PHX crew bases, pending the outcome of our request to the National Mediation Board for a single-carrier determination. In addition, she briefed progress on the APA IT Department's ongoing redesign of alliedpilots.org. FO Torell also discussed plans for performing deferred maintenance and minor renovations in the APA headquarters building.
Negotiating Committee Chairman CA Dave Brown, Technical Analysis and Scheduling Committee Chairman CA Doug Pinion, and TASC members updated the board on the development of a preferential bidding system memorandum of understanding. USAPA Negotiating Committee Chairman CA Dean Colello and USAPA Scheduling Committee Chairman CA Les Edwards were also on hand for the briefing, which detailed the two-year process leading up to the draft MOU, including the selection of PBS vendor AOS. APA has been heavily involved throughout the PBS development process, with the presenters characterizing the system as state of the art. We will link to TASC's PowerPoint presentation to the board on PBS in tomorrow's APA News Digest.
Industry Analysis Committee Chairman CA Dennis Tajer and Director of Economic and Financial Analysis Allison Clark gave an overview of American Airlines' second-quarter results. As reflected in the press release APA issued earlier today, the company announced an all-time record quarterly profit of $1.5 billion, along with plans to pay the first shareholder dividend since 1980.
In other news, APA President CA Keith Wilson informed the board that he has appointed staff attorney Chuck Hairston to serve as the union's new director of contract negotiations, effective Aug. 1, and Jumpseat Committee Chairman CA Tim Knutson briefed jumpseat-related issues.
The board voted to approve R2014-35, Rev. 1, "Negotiating Committee JCBA Process Guidance," which establishes a series of conditions for how JCBA negotiations are to be conducted.
After spending part of the afternoon discussing strategy in executive session, the board adjourned at 4 p.m.
SENIORITY LIST: Management has confirmed that the recently released seniority list contains errors. A corrected seniority list will be posted shortly.
That's it for now. Thank you for checking this hotline.
       
https://public.alliedpilots.org/apa/AboutAPA/APAPublicNews/tabid/843/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/4732/categoryId/32/APA-Board-of-Directors-Special-Meeting.aspx

 

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My APA buddies tell me they also want this take as long as possible so they can make the most of their attrition, works for us I would say big time.

I'm sure they told you anything you wanted to hear to stop annoying them.
 
Think back to not too long ago 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOLxQGLJouI