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TWU informer said:These forums continue to show that the AMT's of this industry need to unite into one single union. If we are going to constantly be compared to others by management and amongst ourselves, then getting ourselves into one single is the best solution.
Continuation of debating the symptoms of the problem serves no purpose.
Time to solve the problem and eliminate the symptoms of the problem.
Are we really so ignorant that we are just happy to say as long as we suck but just not as bad as others in certain areas of concern, then we are satisified?
Pardon me but that is rather stupid of us all.
700UW said:The only one lying is you Bob:
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57325-twu-and-iam-representation-alliance-vote/page-120#entry1124035
You do realize that WN has almost 700 planes and only does four lines of check?
From WN's Annual Report:
From the AA/US 10K:
PMUS has about the fleet size of about half of WN and has more maintenance personnel.
PMAA has about what 11,000 Maintenance personnel for around 630 planes.
So the combined AA and US has over 13,000 maintenance personnel for around 1000 planes.
WN has about 2,700 maintenance personnel for about 680 planes.
Do the math, if you took WN's CBA if you arent in the top say 4,000 you wont have a job.
So you will see about 10,000 jobs lost.
Dont let the facts get in your way.
One fine gentleman continued on after my polite ask. That was not you. I would absolutely love to reciprocate now.Rogallo said:Hey Weasels, you kindly asked us mechanics not to post in your fleet service thread. Care to reciprocate?
Those numbers are right from the BTS and WN's and US' 10k, refute the numbers.Vortilon said:
What your handy little survey fails to break down is how many people listed under the heading "maintenance personnel" are actually AMTs! See when you have bean counters, and back office types doing surveys such as this, they tend to leave out critical nuances such as this. The number of "maintenance personnel" listed at AA - in your survey - is damn near twice the amount of AMTs working at AA. I am sure the same holds true when running the numbers on the US Air side as well. I have seen the US Air convoluted senority list, for the "maintenance and related". Are you gonna try and tell us that every person on that list is an A&P?
As Bob has also pointed out, you can't even compare the complexity of AAs maintenance system to SWA. SWA doesn't fly wide bodies of multiple types, they barely fly international - so limited ETOPS. Hell - last time I checked, they didn't even have an LMP program. Do you even have a concept of what the hell you're talking about?
I understand. Kind of a slow day so far over on that thread. Everyone must be happy on that side!!WeAAsles said:One fine gentleman continued on after my polite ask. That was not you. I would absolutely love to reciprocate now.
Thankfully for now it's quiet there yes. Can it last?Rogallo said:I understand. Kind of a slow day so far over on that thread. Everyone must be happy on that side!!
700UW said:Those numbers are right from the BTS and WN's and US' 10k, refute the numbers.
So WN's #s include and relateds also, so bottom line is you will lose 10,000 mechanics.
Those numbers are from AA's 10kOldGuy@AA said:The system wide Title 1 seniority list for AA has a little over 7600. 700 only missed it by almost 3400. Isn't it ironic that people who have no dog in the fight and post inaccurate information say things like "Don't let the facts get in the way."? This is why I put this guy on ignore.