2014 maintenance talks

[700UW]

Glad to see you can have a debate, NOT!
 
That 4% means nothing in the overall picture.
 
So are you going to refute how many mechanics the New AA would have if you had the WN CBA?
 
The numbers are factual from the 10K and the BTS.

 

[WeAAsles]

Average in house Maintenance employees in 2013

AA 18.2
SWA 3.4

http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/2013%2012%20Month%20Documents/Employees%20and%20Productivity/MX/Average%20In%20House%20Maintenance%20Employees%20per%20Aircraft.htm


http://web.mit.edu/airlinedata/www/default.html
 

 

[TWU informer]

These forums continue to show that the AMT's of this industry need to unite into one single union. If we are going to constantly be compared to others by management and amongst ourselves, then getting ourselves into one single is the best solution.
 
Continuation of debating the symptoms of the problem serves no purpose.
Time to solve the problem and eliminate the symptoms of the problem.
 
Are we really so ignorant that we are just happy to say as long as we suck but just not as bad as others in certain areas of concern, then we are satisified?
 
Pardon me but that is rather stupid of us all.

 

[WeAAsles]

These forums continue to show that the AMT's of this industry need to unite into one single union. If we are going to constantly be compared to others by management and amongst ourselves, then getting ourselves into one single is the best solution.
 
Continuation of debating the symptoms of the problem serves no purpose.
Time to solve the problem and eliminate the symptoms of the problem.
 
Are we really so ignorant that we are just happy to say as long as we suck but just not as bad as others in certain areas of concern, then we are satisified?
 
Pardon me but that is rather stupid of us all.

 



Aircraft Mechanic / Service Technician Salary (United States)



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The average rate for an Aircraft Mechanic / Service Technician is $21.73 per hour. A skill in Avionics is associated with high pay for this job.

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Aircraft_Mechanic_%2f_Service_Technician/Hourly_Rate

 

[Vortilon]

The only one lying is you Bob:
 
 
http://www.airlineforums.com/topic/57325-twu-and-iam-representation-alliance-vote/page-120#entry1124035
 
You do realize that WN has almost 700 planes and only does four lines of check?
 
From WN's Annual Report:
 
 
From the AA/US 10K:
 
 
 
PMUS has about the fleet size of about half of WN and has more maintenance personnel.
 
PMAA has about what 11,000 Maintenance personnel for around 630 planes.
 
So the combined AA and US has over 13,000 maintenance personnel for around 1000 planes.
 
WN has about 2,700 maintenance personnel for about 680 planes.
 
Do the math, if you took WN's CBA if you arent in the top say 4,000 you wont have a job.
 
So you will see about 10,000 jobs lost.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 
 
What your handy little survey fails to break down is how many people listed under the heading "maintenance personnel" are actually AMTs!  See when you have bean counters, and back office types doing surveys such as this, they tend to leave out critical nuances such as this.  The number of "maintenance personnel" listed at AA - in your survey - is damn near twice the amount of AMTs working at AA.  I am sure the same holds true when running the numbers on the US Air side as well.  I have seen the US Air convoluted senority list, for the "maintenance and related".  Are you gonna try and tell us that every person on that list is an A&P?
 
As Bob has also pointed out, you can't even compare the complexity of AAs maintenance system to SWA.  SWA doesn't fly wide bodies of multiple types, they barely fly international - so limited ETOPS.  Hell - last time I checked, they didn't even have an LMP program.  Do you even have a concept of what the hell you're talking about?

 

[Rogallo]

Hey Weasels, you kindly asked us mechanics not to post in your fleet service thread. Care to reciprocate?

 

[WeAAsles]

Employment (1)

Employment
RSE (3)

Mean hourly
wage

Mean annual
wage (2)

Wage RSE (3)

115,410

2.0 %

$27.70

$57,610

0.8 %

http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes493011.htm#ind

 

[WeAAsles]

Hey Weasels, you kindly asked us mechanics not to post in your fleet service thread. Care to reciprocate?

One fine gentleman continued on after my polite ask. That was not you. I would absolutely love to reciprocate now. 

 

[700UW]

 
 
What your handy little survey fails to break down is how many people listed under the heading "maintenance personnel" are actually AMTs!  See when you have bean counters, and back office types doing surveys such as this, they tend to leave out critical nuances such as this.  The number of "maintenance personnel" listed at AA - in your survey - is damn near twice the amount of AMTs working at AA.  I am sure the same holds true when running the numbers on the US Air side as well.  I have seen the US Air convoluted senority list, for the "maintenance and related".  Are you gonna try and tell us that every person on that list is an A&P?
 
As Bob has also pointed out, you can't even compare the complexity of AAs maintenance system to SWA.  SWA doesn't fly wide bodies of multiple types, they barely fly international - so limited ETOPS.  Hell - last time I checked, they didn't even have an LMP program.  Do you even have a concept of what the hell you're talking about?

Those numbers are right from the BTS and WN's and US' 10k, refute the numbers.
 
So WN's #s include and relateds also, so bottom line is you will lose 10,000 mechanics.

 

[Rogallo]

One fine gentleman continued on after my polite ask. That was not you. I would absolutely love to reciprocate now.

I understand. Kind of a slow day so far over on that thread. Everyone must be happy on that side!!

 

[700UW]

 

[WeAAsles]

I understand. Kind of a slow day so far over on that thread. Everyone must be happy on that side!!

Thankfully for now it's quiet there yes. Can it last?

 

[OldGuy@AA]

The system wide Title 1 seniority list for AA has a little over 7600.  700 only missed it by almost 3400.  Isn't it ironic that people who have no dog in the fight and post inaccurate information say things like "Don't let the facts get in the way."?  This is why I put this guy on ignore.   

 

[Vortilon]

Those numbers are right from the BTS and WN's and US' 10k, refute the numbers.
 
So WN's #s include and relateds also, so bottom line is you will lose 10,000 mechanics.

 
 
You still don't get it.  It's also up to the company to decide if they want to lay off personnel.  Your argument is " line maintenance needs to accept less pay and benefits in order to subsidize headcount in overhaul."  Did I get that right?  Why should the burden be put on line maintenace entirely?  I'm not getting any kind of tax break for my charatable contribution via reduced wages and benefits.  I'm willing to bet most line AMTs are not gonna bite on the headcount guilt trip again - I never have. 

 

[700UW]

The system wide Title 1 seniority list for AA has a little over 7600.  700 only missed it by almost 3400.  Isn't it ironic that people who have no dog in the fight and post inaccurate information say things like "Don't let the facts get in the way."?  This is why I put this guy on ignore.

Those numbers are from AA's 10k