2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[WeAAsles]

They did charge me and i was a member in bad standing for 5 years but i dont go away.
AT any rate, falsely accusing district officers with violations of bylaws and federal laws is grounds for charges against me. So either they are guilty or they are not upholding the bylaws.

They should have kicked you out of the union and in a closed shop that would have meant your job as well. Any member that's ever been put in bad standing and the verdict was guilty tells me who you really are. A leopard never changes spots. You must laugh your arse off every day that these guys have tolerated you for as long as they have. I hope that clock is ticking down?

 

[Tim Nelson]

They should have kicked you out of the union and in a closed shop that would have meant your job as well. Any member that's ever been put in bad standing and the verdict was guilty tells me who you really are. A leopard never changes spots. You must laugh your arse off every day that these guys have tolerated you for as long as they have. I hope that clock is ticking down?

I am not a union pollyanna, im pro worker. Oftentimes that means i have to fight the union.
Being a member in bad standing doesnt mean squat and u cant lose your job.Just cant run for office. Besides, they promoted me and used my energies for organizing.

 

[WeAAsles]

I am not a union pollyanna, im pro worker. Oftentimes that means i have to fight the union.
Being a member in bad standing doesnt mean squat and u cant lose your job.Just cant run for office. Besides, they promoted me and used my energies for organizing.

Maybe they can't kick you out under your constitution, try reading ours some day. And you ARE NOT pro worker. You are pro YOU. And obviously whoever hired you at least at that moment was dumber than a box of rocks because you don't ever let the devil into your house after he's already burned you.

And you obviously weren't worth what they were paying you since they got rid of you pretty quickly. And you demanded a raise? What a putz with the money you were making. Face it you blew it.

I can't wait to see the numbers for how you did in your campaign? It should tell you something if you were normal.

 

[WeAAsles]

And come up with some new Nelsonisms. Your old ones are getting very tiresome. (Pollyanna)

 

[700UW]

You aren't pro-worker, you are pro-Tim.

 

[PHXConx]

The unity continues to build. During this past election, we witnessed some of the most blatant labor violations that our members have wver experienced. The leadership of the masses will continue to fight for the voices of our people to finally be heard again. A complete case of charges will be filed shortly and made public so that our members can be completely informed of the entire process.

The case will be presented to the intl first for their review and settlement for a rerun election. I dont anticipate that their arrogance will allow them to reason.

Then the case will be presented to the dol and a rerun election will be ordered. All positions plus all other positions will become up for grabs in 1.5 years and the masses will be able to quick change the entire 37 positions of the district with a fair election under dol guidance.

The actions of the district were so blatant that i am hopeful that the dol dismisses the leadership as well. The casework is being reviewed and will be posted on facebook's "iamvotingiam" site as well as this site.

The building of the masses continues. Now, many usairways members feel betrayed as well with the latest contract that pushes most items into transition talks.

Hes a uniter not a divider....well he hoped to use United to divide us... either way same thing... 
 
 
Timmy are you sure you didnt get a minor in Melodramatic speech writing with that masters you got?

 

[pjirish317]

 

tim,

Can you honestly answer this question please. And I do mean HONESTLY answer.

I don't think you will answer because that HONEST answer would be NO. Because you would spin it as to say something like "there is no need to protest because rightousness won out and we will fix the violations for any future elections" or some other BS to that effect.

 Anybody else hear criclets? Did I nail the bullseye here tim?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Anybody else hear criclets? Did I nail the bullseye here tim?

Every situation is different and would have to consider what is the best interest of the membership.

 

[PHXConx]

Every situation is different and would have to consider what is the best interest of the membership.

membership = tim and his cabal of characters please timmy wear the cape when you show up to the DOL...  it cant hurt they are already laughing at you...   

 

[ograc]

Fellow posters,
Those who know Tim should not be the least bit surprised by his next move in light of the election results. His Slate of candidates were not elected by the membership so the next move is to file interference charges against the District leadership asserting this interference tainted the results of the election. He has every right to file such charges. The DOL will review his case and the charges filed and rule weather the alleged violations had an adverse affect on the outcome of the election. It is Tim's opinion the alleged violations adversely affected the outcome. The DOL will have the final say. If Tim's allegations are upheld another election in 2016 for all positions may be proposed or ordered by the DOL with direct supervision. Even if this happens it does not change a few realities of the past election. The campaign strategy of the U4C Slate was to take advantage of the dissention and dissatisfaction on the UA side regarding the recently ratified CBA. The mindset was that the UA membership would show up at the polls in droves to vote out the current DL leadership, based on this dissention, and vote for the U4C candidates. Since the UA membership far outnumbers the US membership in the district, the results of the election, would be driven by the UA memberships' participation. Additionally, the U4C slate on the US side was composed of Tim and two other "popular" but inexperienced candidates from large stations at US. PHL and PHX to be specific. This would insure additional votes, from the US side, to add to the anticipated droves of angry UA members expected at the polls. In the end; neither component of the strategy materialized. UA members' participation levels in the election were dismal. US members' participation in the election was much higher and overwhelmingly supported the current leadership team. The U4C Slate lost all 3 hub stations at US, two by a significant margin, and many other stations on the US network.
The strategy of "striking the dissention iron while it was hot" on the UA side failed. Not sure if that opportunity will ever be regained. Not convinced, as is Tim, that another rerun election will produce different results.    

 

[Tim Nelson]

Fellow posters,
Those who know Tim should not be the least bit surprised by his next move in light of the election results. His Slate of candidates were not elected by the membership so the next move is to file interference charges against the District leadership asserting this interference tainted the results of the election. He has every right to file such charges. The DOL will review his case and the charges filed and rule weather the alleged violations had an adverse affect on the outcome of the election. It is Tim's opinion the alleged violations adversely affected the outcome. The DOL will have the final say. If Tim's allegations are upheld another election in 2016 for all positions may be proposed or ordered by the DOL with direct supervision. Even if this happens it does not change a few realities of the past election. The campaign strategy of the U4C Slate was to take advantage of the dissention and dissatisfaction on the UA side regarding the recently ratified CBA. The mindset was that the UA membership would show up at the polls in droves to vote out the current DL leadership, based on this dissention, and vote for the U4C candidates. Since the UA membership far outnumbers the US membership in the district, the results of the election, would be driven by the UA memberships' participation. Additionally, the U4C slate on the US side was composed of Tim and two other "popular" but inexperienced candidates from large stations at US. PHL and PHX to be specific. This would insure additional votes, from the US side, to add to the anticipated droves of angry UA members expected at the polls. In the end; neither component of the strategy materialized. UA members' participation levels in the election were dismal. US members' participation in the election was much higher and overwhelmingly supported the current leadership team. The U4C Slate lost all 3 hub stations at US, two by a significant margin, and many other stations on the US network.
The strategy of "striking the dissention iron while it was hot" on the UA side failed. Not sure if that opportunity will ever be regained. Not convinced, as is Tim, that another rerun election will produce different results.

the violations affected the outcome. Assuming a dol election, there is alot of members upset that usairways pushed delaney for a 4th time so there is talk of a united only ticket for all 37 spots since the usairways side is going to be strongly with delaneys team regardless. Giving up that flank and doubling up the united strongholds is a possible backlash for undivided and continual support for delaney. Im trying to talk that down but many united members are now focusing on a ticket with only united members. Their thinking is that usairways cant come out any more favorable for delaney. Either way, i wont be a candidate after this election is resolved.

 

[ograc]

the violations affected the outcome. Assuming a dol election, there is alot of members upset that usairways pushed delaney for a 4th time so there is talk of a united only ticket for all 37 spots since the usairways side is going to be strongly with delaneys team regardless. Giving up that flank and doubling up the united strongholds is a possible backlash for undivided and continual support for delaney. Im trying to talk that down but many united members are now focusing on a ticket with only united members. Their thinking is that usairways cant come out any more favorable for delaney. Either way, i wont be a candidate after this election is resolved.

That would be a huge mistake. Their membership is apathetic. Having US members on the Slate was not why they lost this past election. A pure UA ticket would receive no support on the US side. If anything; it would increase participation on the US side. That increase in participation would vote against them based on principle and their blatant disregard for US members in their quest for District leadership. Your fellow opposition candidates just don't seem to get it. They can expect the same results, by a larger margin, in 2016 if they pursue such a power grab. It speaks volumes, as a US member, of the opposition UA candidates you choose to align yourself with Tim. Guilty by association!   

 

[PHXConx]

the violations affected the outcome. Assuming a dol election, there is alot of members upset that usairways pushed delaney for a 4th time so there is talk of a united only ticket for all 37 spots since the usairways side is going to be strongly with delaneys team regardless. Giving up that flank and doubling up the united strongholds is a possible backlash for undivided and continual support for delaney. Im trying to talk that down but many united members are now focusing on a ticket with only united members. Their thinking is that usairways cant come out any more favorable for delaney. Either way, i wont be a candidate after this election is resolved.

united divided 

 

[pjirish317]

tim,

let me get this straight. UA is pissed that US voted in favor of RD and the current leadership, while they couldn't be bothered to come out and vote? Am I getting this right? And you are probably gonna side with UA because of your hate for the current leadership and royaly screw over all of your fellow US workers. Typical. And typical answer from someone who cant answer a direct question. Would you have protesetd the election results if the U4C slate had won? Yes or No. It is that simple of a question.

 

[cltrat]

the violations affected the outcome. Assuming a dol election, there is alot of members upset that usairways pushed delaney for a 4th time so there is talk of a united only ticket for all 37 spots since the usairways side is going to be strongly with delaneys team regardless. Giving up that flank and doubling up the united strongholds is a possible backlash for undivided and continual support for delaney. Im trying to talk that down but many united members are now focusing on a ticket with only united members. Their thinking is that usairways cant come out any more favorable for delaney. Either way, i wont be a candidate after this election is resolved.

Ultimately the United voters have themselves to blame, rather than point the finger at US voters for supporting the other ticket. While that seems to be true if the UA voters had turned out in droves like they should have after such a turd of a contract then by shear numbers they control the election no matter what US does.
Myself I am a huge proponent of a separate district for US now AA.