2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[psa8979]

International ASSOCIATION Machinists Aerospace Transport Workers Union. IAMATWU . It's a done deal . Get over it . Move forward ! RAGE , IGNORANCE, and HATE for 95% of the Union Membership is not an option at AAL. Amend the RLA in 2016.
Happy 2015 .  Fish On !

 

[MetalMover]

International ASSOCIATION Machinists Aerospace Transport Workers Union. IAMATWU . It's a done deal . Get over it . Move forward ! RAGE , IGNORANCE, and HATE for 95% of the Union Membership is not an option at AAL. Amend the RLA in 2016.
Happy 2015 .  Fish On 

It is? Even before a vote that both the TWU and IAM said will occur?

 

[NYer]

 

 
There has been no concerted movement or collective demonstrations of opposition by any large groups. There was one lawsuit, file by a maintenance local and it failed. Other than that, the Membership as a whole has been rather quiet on the subject. What would you like the membership do? Protest at the courthouse? --If there was a large opposition to the Association then the Members would be in their right to voice their collective voices...but that hasn't happened.
 
There was no "takeover" with the pilots and the flight attendants. Each union worked with their counterparts to ensure their concerns were met and did what they believed was best for their membership. Retaining the APA and APFA was done by mutual agreement, just like the Association was a mutual agreement with the TWU & IAM. Dont you have confidence in the TWU to ensure the IAM members' concerns were met? --No.
 
It didn't change the manner in which my representation is handled so this option, to me, is better than an all out fight. So, yes, I'm OK with the decision. ​Really? Ask your fellow TWU members who will be represented by the IAM depending on location. And they will be paying more in union dues. --I have. There are many who chose to go back to their home station under the IAM and with no seniority, until the JCBA is ratified. There are others waiting for the JCBA and are also willing to go home and be under the IAM. There are IAM Members that are happy to join the TWU and are more willing to give it try knowing their pensions will continue to accrue.
 
Having a vote might make you happy (then again, maybe not since you don't necessarily want the TWU, IAM or Assoc.), but for those that lose their current representation it will be a sore spot and something that can manifest itself into a larger issue as we more forward. There is no perfect solution, but it seems the Assoc. is better than the alternatives for the majority.

 

 

[MetalMover]

 

 


 
There has been no concerted movement or collective demonstrations of opposition by any large groups. There was one lawsuit, file by a maintenance local and it failed. Other than that, the Membership as a whole has been rather quiet on the subject. What would you like the membership do? Protest at the courthouse? --If there was a large opposition to the Association then the Members would be in their right to voice their collective voices...but that hasn't happened.
 
There was no "takeover" with the pilots and the flight attendants. Each union worked with their counterparts to ensure their concerns were met and did what they believed was best for their membership. Retaining the APA and APFA was done by mutual agreement, just like the Association was a mutual agreement with the TWU & IAM. Dont you have confidence in the TWU to ensure the IAM members' concerns were met? --No.
 
It didn't change the manner in which my representation is handled so this option, to me, is better than an all out fight. So, yes, I'm OK with the decision. ​Really? Ask your fellow TWU members who will be represented by the IAM depending on location. And they will be paying more in union dues. --I have. There are many who chose to go back to their home station under the IAM and with no seniority, until the JCBA is ratified. There are others waiting for the JCBA and are also willing to go home and be under the IAM. There are IAM Members that are happy to join the TWU and are more willing to give it try knowing their pensions will continue to accrue.
 
Having a vote might make you happy (then again, maybe not since you don't necessarily want the TWU, IAM or Assoc.), but for those that lose their current representation it will be a sore spot and something that can manifest itself into a larger issue as we more forward. There is no perfect solution, but it seems the Assoc. is better than the alternatives for the majority.

 

 


How can you know if there will be any opposition until there is a vote? Do you want to see a job action as proof that members DON't want it? So you have asked fellow members what they think? Have you travelled throughout the system asking them? On this forum alone I can count about 4 or 5 of you that want it. And you are all from fleet service..Hardly a mandate.
So you are so sure that the association is better than the alternatives? Since you can predict the future, what are the alternatives that you fear? It seems you don't want a vote because you feel it is a waste of time and energy and prefer anarchy to democracy.

 

[NYer]

How can you know if there will be any opposition until there is a vote? Do you want to see a job action as proof that members DON't want it? So you have asked fellow members what they think? Have you travelled throughout the system asking them? On this forum alone I can count about 4 or 5 of you that want it. And you are all from fleet service..Hardly a mandate.
So you are so sure that the association is better than the alternatives? Since you can predict the future, what are the alternatives that you fear? It seems you don't want a vote because you feel it is a waste of time and energy and prefer anarchy to democracy.

Each group is separate, so if maintenance wants out of the Association and it is so overwhelmingly in your favor it shouldn't take more than a few weeks to get everyone to sign cards for the TWU to be put on the ballot. It's up to the Members to send a message if that is truly where you think they are. Why waste your time on these pages when you can affect change by getting cards to the NMB and include your choice on the ballot.

Go for it.

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Trust me,I've yet to speak to any FSC's at JFK or LGA in favor of this Dues Harvesting Alliance.

 

[MetalMover]

Trust me,I've yet to speak to any FSC's at JFK or LGA in favor of this Dues Harvesting Alliance.

There ya go..But NYer seems to believe that the MAJORITY of people want this alliance.

 

[MetalMover]

Each group is separate, so if maintenance wants out of the Association and it is so overwhelmingly in your favor it shouldn't take more than a few weeks to get everyone to sign cards for the TWU to be put on the ballot. It's up to the Members to send a message if that is truly where you think they are. Why waste your time on these pages when you can affect change by getting cards to the NMB and include your choice on the ballot.

Go for it.

I will go for it once I get to vote.... A vote by the way that you feel is not necessary.

 

[NYer]

There ya go..But NYer seems to believe that the MAJORITY of people want this alliance.
 

 
Oh, Well. If he says so then it must be true.

 

[MetalMover]

 
Oh, Well. If he says so then it must be true.

But yet we are to believe just what you post? Is that correct?
You are either simply a hypocrite or an internet troll on this forum.
You preach on every post as if you and only you have the hard facts of any topic. But yet you are going to mock JFKFleetservice because he knows NO ONE who wants this alliance?

 

[Rogallo]

 
Oh, Well. If he says so then it must be true.

 
Have you personally polled anyone?

 

[WeAAsles]

Well I guess it's a free for all then since MECHANICS can't stop posting on a Fleet thread.

Going to be fun posting all that anti AMFA material I have on the maintenance threads once again starting tonight.

Torpedoes away.

 

[Rogallo]

What else ya gotta do!

 

[WeAAsles]

What else ya gotta do!

Nothing since you guys want to infest this thread with your toxic garbage. Nothing at all. See you tonight.

 

[robbedagain]

I don't know bout most folks on here  but I for one appreciate the info WeAA puts on here