2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

From what I understand, the NMB is suppose to serve written notice to the employees, and that the company is suppose to post such notice, that an application has been filed.  Are there any fleet service members who saw any NMB notice on any company bulletin boards? 

 

[Vortilon]

I think the process for the association is on track. The only wiggle may be with what seems to be a minority of mechanics who may vote for amfa on their vote.

 
Minority of mechanics?  That is funny. 

 

[Tim Nelson]

 
Minority of mechanics?  That is funny. 

Nothing intended, my expression was just a recognition that only a small percentage of mechanics on this property have ever offered amfa support.  If you have more support than that, then there prolly won't be a vote for your group as I can imagine the company recognizing the Association without a vote.

 

[blue collar]

It doesn't matter what the company will do, and per the NMB representational manual they can't automatically recognize new representation without a vote. You will all still have to see how the TWU thing shakes out. They might be the sole bargaining agent.

 

[pjirish317]

It doesn't matter what the company will do, and per the NMB representational manual they can't automatically recognize new representation without a vote. You will all still have to see how the TWU thing shakes out. They might be the sole bargaining agent.
 
 
What TWU thing?

 

[Tim Nelson]

It doesn't matter what the company will do, and per the NMB representational manual they can't automatically recognize new representation without a vote. You will all still have to see how the TWU thing shakes out. They might be the sole bargaining agent.

It does.  Dozens and dozens of times, a union asked for voluntary recognition and received it.  Nothing in the NMB manual bars that.   Even on LAA property, the TWU got Eagle through voluntary consent recognized by the NMB. On US AIRWAYS property, same thing with the upstairs folks. Voluntary consent.  No recognized election.

 

[Vortilon]

It does.  Dozens and dozens of times, a union asked for voluntary recognition and received it.  Nothing in the NMB manual bars that.   Even on LAA property, the TWU got Eagle through voluntary consent recognized by the NMB. On US AIRWAYS property, same thing with the upstairs folks. Voluntary consent.  No recognized election.

 
The NMB has everything to do with how this union representation issue plays out.  AA has to keep its nose out of the process.

 

[Tim Nelson]

The NMB has everything to do with how this union representation issue plays out.  AA has to keep its nose out of the process.

And part of that determination may be automatic recognition, if thats what the association is arguing. There are noother parties to the case.

 

[john john]

What TWU thing?

Maybe TWU 591 but a monkey wrench in the process

http://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IAMTWU-Response-to-Peterson-Letter.pdf

 

[psa8979]

Vorty . AMFA is not a UNION its a ponzi  scheme . The ASSOCIATION is a done deal . Move on Brother . Better yet retire and go do some fishing ?

 

[NYer]

It doesn't matter what the company will do, and per the NMB representational manual they can't automatically recognize new representation without a vote. You will all still have to see how the TWU thing shakes out. They might be the sole bargaining agent.

They filed to the NMB as the "Association," that's what will be considered.

Maybe TWU 591 but a monkey wrench in the processhttp://www.usaamerger.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/IAMTWU-Response-to-Peterson-Letter.pdf

That's not even an issue.

 

[pjirish317]

I know that theF/A's lost their boarding by D.O.H. grievance, but it is Black and White in our CBA that we board by D.O.H. I certainly hope that the CWA/IBT keep their grievance active and the IAM does also. If either union drops this and lets the company blatently violate our CBA, it would be a sad day indeed. I've heard the argument that "the company makes the policy, but, according to our CBA, they have to give us the same policy that EVERYBODY gets, not seperate policies to suit their needs to avoid staying with D.O.H. boarding priority. Article 7A, states we will board by D.O.H. for non-rev travel, and Atricle 28D states we get the SAME transportation privileges on the company system as may be estabilished by company regulations for ALL personnel. IMO, they can't just go to a first come first serve basis policy.

 

[Tim Nelson]

I know that theF/A's lost their boarding by D.O.H. grievance, but it is Black and White in our CBA that we board by D.O.H. I certainly hope that the CWA/IBT keep their grievance active and the IAM does also. If either union drops this and lets the company blatently violate our CBA, it would be a sad day indeed. I've heard the argument that "the company makes the policy, but, according to our CBA, they have to give us the same policy that EVERYBODY gets, not seperate policies to suit their needs to avoid staying with D.O.H. boarding priority. Article 7A, states we will board by D.O.H. for non-rev travel, and Atricle 28D states we get the SAME transportation privileges on the company system as may be estabilished by company regulations for ALL personnel. IMO, they can't just go to a first come first serve basis policy.

I fully agree with you. Imo a joint contract is at least a couple years away, so it doesnt make sense to drop the grievance based on what i understand. Id be interested to hear a counter view.

 

[ograc]

I fully agree with you. Imo a joint contract is at least a couple years away, so it doesnt make sense to drop the grievance based on what i understand. Id be interested to hear a counter view.

The counter view, although I disagree with it, was presented by the Arbitrator in his ruling. Both the IAM and CWA should consider pursuing. The existing CBA language in both contracts is pretty clear.  

 

[ograc]

I know that theF/A's lost their boarding by D.O.H. grievance, but it is Black and White in our CBA that we board by D.O.H. I certainly hope that the CWA/IBT keep their grievance active and the IAM does also. If either union drops this and lets the company blatently violate our CBA, it would be a sad day indeed. I've heard the argument that "the company makes the policy, but, according to our CBA, they have to give us the same policy that EVERYBODY gets, not seperate policies to suit their needs to avoid staying with D.O.H. boarding priority. Article 7A, states we will board by D.O.H. for non-rev travel, and Atricle 28D states we get the SAME transportation privileges on the company system as may be estabilished by company regulations for ALL personnel. IMO, they can't just go to a first come first serve basis policy.

 
Agree completely! PJ? How many mainline departures does AA currently have in your station? Is it a TWU represented station for AA? If not, who is the vendor?