2014 Fleet Service Discussion

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Imo... The combined Fleet Service should not anticipate any decision, concerning a representation election for the combined Fleet Service by the NMB, until the above wing election is concluded. It will be interesting to see, going forward, what the above wing employees elect to do.

I was referring to the passenger service agents for the CWA-IBT association.

Josh

 

[psa8979]

9/16/14 history will be made for AAL/LCC CSA's . JCBA next for our CSA Brothers/Sisters working PC Class/Craft . IAM/TWU Association certification next !

 

[ograc]

9/16/14 history will be made for AAL/LCC CSA's . JCBA next for our CSA Brothers/Sisters working PC Class/Craft . IAM/TWU Association certification next !

 
History in the making. 9/16 to determine representation of the "above wing" employees at the combined carrier. After conclusion of this election; it's on to an election for the IAM/TWU Association representation of the "below wing" Fleet Service group of the combined carrier. Record profits are projected with this merger. I would suggest voting for representation to insure a seat at the table and a slice of the pie.
 

 

[psa8979]

YES is a seat at the table. NO a seat under the table. VOTE ! PARTICIPATE ! ENGAGE ! 

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim let me ask you. From what I have been told if a member was full time and was reduced back to part time through no fault of their own, their medical rate will still be assessed at the FT rate if they were hired before a certain date? If a member voluntarily reduces himself to PT then he goes back to paying double the rate? Does this also equate to the pension contributions?
Perhaps a good future compromise would be if a member does not chose to move and seek a FT job out of the station they were hired in that member should gain the better benefit after a certain time frame irregardless of status? Say after 5 years or so.

Yes, as far as medical, i believe. Ill check. No, as far as pension. Im not sure what compromise, if any, should happen with part time issues in joint talks but i feel its better to have at least one part timer in negotiations as their advocate. Something gotta give imo. Interesting enuf, i personally didnt hear any part time voice complaining about the last round of talks so maybe they are comfortable and content paying double for medical, with half retirement contribution. Just seems, from my perspective, that we really needto shore up part time issues.

 

[Tim Nelson]

If an election is ordered... it will not be a choice between the IAM or the TWU. It will be a choice between being represented by "The Association" or not being represented at all. The two unions have agreed to co represent the combined work force. 50% + 1 is the simple majority. If the Association is voted for by 50% + 1 of the ballots cast they have won representation by simple majority. If the Association wins the representation election; both unions will continue to represent the combined workforce.

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[john john]

If an election is ordered... it will not be a choice between the IAM or the TWU. It will be a choice between being represented by "The Association" or not being represented at all. The two unions have agreed to co represent the combined work force. 50% + 1 is the simple majority. If the Association is voted for by 50% + 1 of the ballots cast they have won representation by simple majority. If the Association wins the representation election; both unions will continue to represent the combined workforce.

Is there definitely going to be a vote is so when and what is the holdup

 

[cltrat]

There has been no decision on a vote John ,I have had it suggested to me that the NMB may even ok the association without a vote weather that's possible I have no ideal.
 
what's the feeling on how the CSA vote is going?

 

[Tim Nelson]

There has been no decision on a vote John ,I have had it suggested to me that the NMB may even ok the association without a vote weather that's possible I have no ideal.
 
what's the feeling on how the CSA vote is going?

Not sure how possible that is, although it has happened. I believe the company has to voluntarily recognize it.  IMO, the company won't challenge it nor does it want to deal with AMFA so if the company voluntarily recognizes it then there may not even be a vote. Dunno for sure but that's what I'd say.

 

[john john]

There has been no decision on a vote John ,I have had it suggested to me that the NMB may even ok the association without a vote weather that's possible I have no ideal.
 
what's the feeling on how the CSA vote is going?

Indications are good it lies with the LAA Passenger Service Agents
Could the IAM/TWU leadership vote on the association? What is the holdup on the vote?

 

[ograc]

Indications are good it lies with the LAA Passenger Service Agents
Could the IAM/TWU leadership vote on the association? What is the holdup on the vote?

The question is what is the hold up on a decision, one way or another by the NMB, concerning recognition of the "Association" as the bargaining represented for the combined Fleet Service or requiring an election?

 

 

[john john]

There still can be a vote on the association with the membership
And then ask for recognition. Seems like the way to go.The longer the wait the more it festers

 

[Tim Nelson]

There still can be a vote on the association with the membershipAnd then ask for recognition. Seems like the way to go.The longer the wait the more it festers

I think the process for the association is on track. The only wiggle may be with what seems to be a minority of mechanics who may vote for amfa on their vote.

 

[john john]

The only wiggle may be with what seems to be a minority of mechanics who may vote for amfa on their vote.

So there is going to be a vote of the membership the NBM has said this how it is going to be handle

 

[Tim Nelson]

So there is going to be a vote of the membership the NBM has said this how it is going to be handle

I don't believe either union made available their public filing. Last I checked it wasn't up on the NMB site. So, I'm not sure if they asked for automatic recognition. I'm not even sure that can be done without a vote. Like at CWA/IBT, you guys voted on it internally prior to the union asking for automatic. Dunno but nobody seems to be telling now.  My hunch is that there still will be a vote though and everything else is rumor.