2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[AANOTOK]

What you posted has NOTHING to do with being a unionized worker.
 
Its someone's work ethic of shall I say lack of it.

BULL, that "unionized" worker would not be employed in very many "non-union" jobs...

 

[cltrat]

BULL, that "unionized" worker would not be employed in very many "non-union" jobs...

I couldn't agree more ANNOTOK if they are on a non union job getting paid to perform there are plenty here who would be on the street

 

[WeAAsles]

I couldn't agree more ANNOTOK if they are on a non union job getting paid to perform there are plenty here who would be on the street

I still feel that the MAJORITY are skilled professionals who genuinely provide an honest and productive days service to the company. So how do we prevent those bad apples from spreading and infecting the entire tree?

We weed them out and call them out. And I'm not talking about to management. I'm saying we man up and call a slug a slug. We don't have to tolerate them and we certainly are not going to do their work for them.

 

[WeAAsles]

A membership who feels they are not being treated fairly or recognized for their efforts should work accordingly. Additionally, the same applies to a membership who is recognized for their efforts. let's show the company we are better than anyone at doing our work. As long as that work ethic is appreciated, respected and recognized.

Absolutely.

 

[rockit2]

How many I am not sure but it's like that here every department is there ramp catering cleaners etc and yes it can be chaotic sometimes I think they make changes like they get a commission off each one. I do know they have hired ramp tower off the street. it's very senior then very junior not a lot of middle ground.

Tey hire them off the street so they can pay them less...........I know a guy with 30 yrs that couldn't get atransfer into the tower because it's an interview position.

 

[rockit2]

I still feel that the MAJORITY are skilled professionals who genuinely provide an honest and productive days service to the company. So how do we prevent those bad apples from spreading and infecting the entire tree?

We weed them out and call them out. And I'm not talking about to management. I'm saying we man up and call a slug a slug. We don't have to tolerate them and we certainly are not going to do their work for them.

They new hires are killing our profession, they don't give a dam. Look how they dress when at work. I remember the day when a shirt wasn't tucked in or you dropped a bag a man named raymond jowers would be in you so fast you didn't know what hit you.....btw newbies, i love your capri pants for men.

 

[WeAAsles]

They new hires are killing our profession, they don't give a dam. Look how they dress when at work. I remember the day when a shirt wasn't tucked in or you dropped a bag a man named raymond jowers would be in you so fast you didn't know what hit you.....btw newbies, i love your capri pants for men.

Uh Rockit my generation in the 80's wore skin tight jeans or worse black leather with long hair and feathers hanging from their ears. Hell I even had painted Jean jackets back then. lol.

And you need to be that Raymond Jowers now.

 

[roabilly]

Odds are if you start out a bad worker or become a bad worker in a union, you will stay a bad worker AND stay employed...not laying blame, just sayin! Be around long enough to know and witness the game.

Two thirds of my career was “non-union” and here is what I observed while non-union...
 
1)      Nepotism: Uncles and In-laws that worked in management, letting family members advance ahead of other hard working people because of who they were...
       
2)      Favoritism: Management and Leads letting their weekend star softball players slack-off, and do what they wanted while others carried the load...
      
3)      Persecution: Disciplining and firing people who were “different” or did not not fit-in with others regardless of their work ethic...
 
4)      Job Vulnerability: Fleet was decimated by job losses, wage reductions, and unjust firings while non-union as represented groups remained  status quo... 
 
As far as the Union years go, I served as a Steward and represented many of those “slackers” you guys say we protected. I had a very good record of giving these folks the opportunity to keep their jobs “IF” they improved and recognized their shortcomings. Some are still there, many are not because they could not, or would not, correct their behavior in terms of work ethic.
 
In conclusion, I would much rather eliminate 1 through 4 in the non-union years, and deal with the lengthy processes of the discipline policy and respective grievance procedure!

 

[WeAAsles]

Two thirds of my career was “non-union” and here is what I observed while non-union...
 
1)      Nepotism: Uncles and In-laws that worked in management, letting family members advance ahead of other hard working people because of who they were...
       
2)      Favoritism: Management and Leads letting their weekend star softball players slack-off, and do what they wanted while others carried the load...
      
3)      Persecution: Disciplining and firing people who were “different” or did not not fit-in with others regardless of their work ethic...
 
4)      Job Vulnerability: Fleet was decimated by job losses, wage reductions, and unjust firings while non-union as represented groups remained  status quo... 
 
As far as the Union years go, I served as a Steward and represented many of those “slackers” you guys say we protected. I had a very good record of giving these folks the opportunity to keep their jobs “IF” they improved and recognized their shortcomings. Some are still there, many are not because they could not, or would not, correct their behavior in terms of work ethic.
 
In conclusion, I would much rather eliminate 1 through 4 in the non-union years, and deal with the lengthy processes of the discipline policy and respective grievance procedure!

I'll fight like a maniac to NEVER be non union again! Been there done that and have ZERO interest in even considering that possibility. And for all the reasons you just stated Roa. 

 

[robbedagain]

I remember back in the late 2000s or so  I was connecting thru PHL on the EXP side and just about every one of the folks I had seen looked like they came out of the crack/drug scene areas   low cut shorts    holes in clothes  etc....  and all I cld think of at the time...  what a true circus this airline is

 

[Kev3188]

 

I still feel that the MAJORITY are skilled professionals who genuinely provide an honest and productive days service to the company. So how do we prevent those bad apples from spreading and infecting the entire tree?

We weed them out and call them out. And I'm not talking about to management. I'm saying we man up and call a slug a slug. We don't have to tolerate them and we certainly are not going to do their work for them.

^This^

A little self-policing goes a long way...

And like I've said before, if you want to be treated like a professional, you must carry yourself like one.

 

[Harry Callahan]

They new hires are killing our profession, they don't give a dam. Look how they dress when at work. I remember the day when a shirt wasn't tucked in or you dropped a bag a man named raymond jowers would be in you so fast you didn't know what hit you.....btw newbies, i love your capri pants for men.

Good ole Raymond...............brings back a lot of memories.
 
Harry

 

[rockit2]

Good ole Raymond...............brings back a lot of memories.
 
Harry

Does this ring a bell? "Come here young man", shine your shoes. Did you forget to shave today?

 

[Harry Callahan]

LMAO rockit sure does. I'd just love to be called young man now.
 
Harry

 

[700UW]

What about lifting our pants leg and checking the color of your socks?
 
Or stepping on your shoes to make sure we had on steel toes.
 
We had an Air Cargo manager in TPA, as I worked cargo,  named Roy Creasey, from LYH originally, he didnt like us Yankees.
 
He came to CLT after they closed cargo in TPA.
 
He was a big dude and would walk on your shoes and lift your pants leg and do the credit card test on your face about shaving.