2014 Fleet Service Discussion

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john john said:
Cross unitization between work groups is one on the big synergies the company wants to accomplish
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Company was already 2 steps ahead and got that in this cba. From the term sheet: Cross Utilization- "the company may utilize LAA employees to perform US fleet service work at any location where the IAM and TWU represent Fleet Service Employees."
 
freedom said:
You can't use the pilots as an example, they were just crazy .
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Then use the flight attendants also, company did the same thing to them. The only way I see a jcba happening is if it remains "cost nuetral" with the AA ramp scale AND it keeps the US/AA ramp the lowest paid in that workgroup compared to United, Delta, and Southwest. Which it currently is with these contracts in place.
 
ograc said:
freedom,
The newly ratified contract states the parties must be prepared to enter into joint talks within 30 days of signing. Prior to this happening; the NMB must either recognize the newly formed "Association" as the legal Bargaining Representative of the combined group or call for a representation election. Once the "Association" is recognized or voted in by the membership a joint Negotiating Committee must be established. This committee must meet and discuss the priority issues going into negotiations. Additionally, this discussion will be based on presumed survey results from the members of the combined group. The sick time compensation improvements and probationary employee improvements were agreed to on the date of signing. Both await the company's ability to program the improvements into work brain. So much for firm deadlines. There is much that has to take place before the parties sit down across the table. All in good time. Now let's begin discussion on what needs to be gained, for all members, before we enter into JCB negotiations. Patience is a virtue freedom and good things come to those who exercise it.  
 
That's so true. Patience has it's rewards....
 
Why is it that it always takes so long to implement improvements into Work Brain, but it always deducts or take away quickly and fast?  
It will be a while before everything is correct, trust me...........
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cltrat said:
how do you explain that industry average match  that will happen next Sept then?
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From what I gather it will be top pay scales of United, Delta, and US airways average total pay.  So for as a rough example in 2015 top pay at United is at $24.60, US at $23.00, and Delta I'm not sure what it is currently but I've heard around $26 (it fluctuates because of no union but they are always paid more than union represented ramp).  So you add all those up and divide by 3 and get $24.53 as the average.  In which that number will also be compared to AA scale.  I'm probably missing longevity pay in there aslo.  Important that profit sharing numbers at other carriers will not be included in those calculations either.  It is also of note that by most business reports the new AA will have the highest profit margins compared to the other legacy carriers, sadly they will pay its labor force the least on avg.
 
700UW said:
Delta doesnt make more than Southwest, WN's ramper's are the highest paid in the industry.
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True, but I'm comparing Delta to other legacy "hub and spoke" airlines like United and AA which the companies compare their costs/pay structures to.  WN doesn't fall into that category and has a completely different business model.
 
700UW said:
If you dont think WN has hubs, what do you call MDW, BWI, IAH, and ATL?
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Since your the google wizard I'll let you study it for yourself.
 
http://science.howstuffworks.com/transport/flight/modern/airline3.htm
 
Not all airlines use the hub-and-spoke approach. For example, Southwest Airlines is one of the exceptions to the hub-and-spoke network system. It uses the old-fashioned point-to-point system, hauling people short distances with few connecting flights. However, Southwest offers very few non-stop flights on longer routes. At the end of 2000, Southwest served approximately 306 one-way, non-stop city pairs. It's point-to-point system provides a more direct route than a hub-and-spoke airline can offer.
 
Why shouldn't WN be used?  They are the NUMBER 1 Domestic carrier in the US and spreading it's LUV Internationally   
 
I guess you dont realize that WN CONNECTS passengers in BWI, MDW, ATL and DAL, and even HOU.
 
Go to their web page and put in a flight say from any of their cities that dont have a non-stop to your final destination.
 
And gee look, here are their cities that they use to connect passengers:
 
 Focus cities
Call it what you want, but WN does use a Hub and spoke system, they have reduced their point to point flying.
 
Black Magic said:
From what I gather it will be top pay scales of United, Delta, and US airways average total pay.  So for as a rough example in 2015 top pay at United is at $24.60, US at $23.00, and Delta I'm not sure what it is currently but I've heard around $26 (it fluctuates because of no union but they are always paid more than union represented ramp).
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DL TOS base rate is $23.86/hr.
 
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