2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[Tim Nelson]

Maybe its not as drastic as i think it could end up but i dont think you, charlie Brown, is coming across fairly regarding cross utilization.

 

[charlie Brown]

Maybe its not as drastic as i think it could end up but i dont think you, charlie Brown, is coming across fairly regarding cross utilization.

First cross utilization was never discussed just as a separate issue by itself like you want to single it out. It was discussed as a scope issue in its entirety. And without speaking for them, I can tell you that SW & FG was very happy with our scope that we got.

 

[700UW]

How is it a concession when it triggers no layoffs?
 
So US is going to hire PMAA employees to work PMUS flights and pay them both and the PMUS ones to sit in a break room and do nothing.
 
You know you cant be as stupid as you come across.

Oh wait you can, you show it with each post.

 

[WeAAsles]

lets start answering the question by asking why the company wanted this?
Yes or no, will you admit cross utilization was a concession by itself or are you willing to say it wont affect us negatively in any way? Was stevie, willis, and frankie g exited about giving this to management for their station? As of today, this will affect 7 out of 10 of our biggest stations, including dca bos lga.

Yes or no, will you ever admit that you just aren't very bright? That you have not an ounce of business sense and that from your postings you may have even failed 5th grade math?

Will you also now admit the obvious that no one listens to you. Your last 3 objectives were dismal failures.

Do you know how many of your members in ORD you were able to convince to either vote for you or vote no for the TA?

 

[WeAAsles]

Yes or no have you finally learned to understand that you are irrelevant and except for the few of us who entertain you here you are largely ignored by everyone else?

Yes or no?

 

[robbedagain]

What are the implications with the alliance? CLT has no scope for AA currently and per the alliance agreement is an IAM station so they will pay dues to the IAM and be subject to the TWU CBA.

Josh

the membership will vote for either the alliance or no union.   you do not know for a fact if theyre gonna be subject to a TWU CBA when paying IAM dues..

 

[700UW]

Alliance announcement should be forth coming maybe this week.

 

[737823]

the membership will vote for either the alliance or no union.   you do not know for a fact if theyre gonna be subject to a TWU CBA when paying IAM dues..

If they are at CLT which is an IAM station then yes.

Josh

 

[robbedagain]

and if theyre in MIA its just the reverse.  but the bottom line is we the membership will vote on either the alliance or no union... 

 

[charlie Brown]

If they are at CLT which is an IAM station then yes.
Josh

737
Currently there is no LAA in clt. Clt is contracted out. The only way a LAA guy would currently come to clt would be if under the TWU contract AA insourced clt by the TWU numbers. So no LAA guy could come to clt and pay IAM dues. The only time that would happen would be after a jcba which then we all would be under the same agreement, then that persons dues would then go to the IAM under the coalition.

 

[roabilly]

Just stop all the crap with multiple screen names loki... we are all intelligent enough to see it's you... 
 
Dave

 

[PHXConx]

Of course they can insource CLT.  They just don't have to.  There is nothing in their contract that prohibits LAA from insourcing CLT.  Stop making things up Charlie Brown.  You blew it.   Nobody in DCA, ORD, MIA, TPA was in danger of being displaced so stop making things up like you saved jobs.  It was a concession and you just aren't man enough to admit it.  I know it, and you know it and anyone else who understands these things knows it.  This is the first contract where one union agrees to give another union the right to do our work. I'll come back at you and explain how this works out in ORD in a few months.

you havent even read our contract(ever get around to reading art 21)?  now you want us to belive you are an expert on the TWU contract too?  PU LEASE.  stop being a stooge for those that want to see us divided.. stop being such a tool...  one day you will wake up put your cape on and realize you are the evil doer... no no you wont you are so blind to the damage you do all in name of your ego...  

 

[PHXConx]

How is it a concession when it triggers no layoffs?
 
So US is going to hire PMAA employees to work PMUS flights and pay them both and the PMUS ones to sit in a break room and do nothing.
 
You know you cant be as stupid as you come across.
Oh wait you can, you show it with each post.

the only answer to this obvious stupidity is he is someone elses tool, someone that wants a divided workforce...  its the only way he pulls this crap out of his ass like he does how else can you explain the 100 k salary? http://www.unionfacts.com/local/employee/20774/IAM/141/Tim_P/Nelson 

 

[700UW]

I believe he is Al Hemenway's boy.
 
Notice how Wiki stopped giving him information when Glass took over negotiations?
 
Tim is not smart enough to realize he is being used and manipulated, he does more harm to the membership that he claims he wants to help.
 
The only person he wants to help is his wallet and ego.

 

[PHXConx]

The totality of the contract was cost negative for sure.  You can't break it down to one employee who is topped out working in JAX.   The big concessions was health care, and cross utilization.  The summation of those two items, while at the same time not addressing part time [40% of workforce] and keeping all other cost the same [minus a couple nickels for pension] was a power grab for management.  The synergies from the cross utilization will really help the company in a lot of big stations, including DCA for now.   As we move forward, LAA could even have job openings in CLT or PHL and hire in TWU members under the TWU contract.  There is nothing preventing LAA from hiring at any station, and then using those new hires as a vendor to do US AIRWAYS work.  Hopefully, the company is nice and looks the other way.
 
Tim would say the same thing

 
 
 
 
There were no concessions in health care.  we have the same health care as before... had we not given the company the assurances that we would negotiate changes to any of the three plans that might be subject to an excise tax in 2018, to stay under the 40% FEDERALLY MANDATED excise tax.   if an excise tax is imposed 3 years from now in 2018 they would have had to renegotiate the health care now, to ensure that there is no excise tax then...  the union would never agree to that, why would they? you want us to short change our membership for 3 years for a tax that MIGHT come in 2018?  no
 
that would have locked us in negotiations for another three years... no raise, no scope language,(for anybody) no increased pension, no improved overtime, continue to be paid half for 3 days instead of just one when you call in sick...  no nothing... for 3 years...  the letter was the same compromise all the other workgroups agreed to,
 
The unions  understand that congress wrote a bill, the president signed it into law, that basically makes it impossible for company's to continue give great health care to its membership, affordably.. this was the unintended consequence the labor movement got when it supported Obama care.  we kept trusting that they would write in an exemption, and we kept getting disappointed.. now we are stuck with the reality.  that eventually the government is going to force us on the exchanges that negotiated health insurance is a thing of the past, that the so called affordable care act will rob us of our hard earned benefits.  And force us onto the obama care exchanges.  which was the plan the whole time.  the LAW doesnt work unless EVERYONE is forced onto the exchanges... that includes US... so much for being good democrats...  see what good team players does for you?  had the labor unions fought hard when this was still in congress, instead of going along to get along, we may have averted this disaster We were too busy Chanting YES WE CAN YES WE CAN,,, instead of chanting NO YOU WONT NO YOU WONT..... 
 
The letter makes it so we can keep our health care until congress makes it too expensive for the company to offer it...  most companies are dropping the health care now...  we got a 3 year lease on life...  
 
So witht he letter we keep our health care plans, all of them, it doesnt get destroyed to avoid a tax that may come 3 years from now...  and it also makes it so that the company can only impose these changes after it becomes apparent that an excise tax will be imposed. right now that will only affect our 80% plan in 2018, the 90 and 100% plans will still be there for at least a year or two more...  
 
and we get the other benefits of the Contract now, not three or more  years from now..  It was a good compromise, only sheep think otherwise... tired of being lied to by our labor leaders who are too busy smooshing up to politicians instead of fighting for our rights...  the sad part is had this been romney care part deux we would have fought our asses off against it... hopefully big labor realizes that being a good democrat doesnt protect us anymore...  maybe we should take our money completely out of politics The IAM gave 25 million to politicians 97% of it to democrats... http://www.unionfacts.com/union/Machinists#political-tab maybe we should rethink that... i wonder what type of health care we could offer our members with that? And no i dont think we should give it to the republicans either. but its become  apparent that our political affiliations arent helping us anymore... maybe we should spend it on ourselves...