2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[IAM Member Here]

AA doesnt have its own ramp in CLT, hasnt in years, they were laid-off in the 2003 cuts.
 
You are grasping at straws.
 
Tim, just post under your own name.
 
There was no concessions give on healthcare.
 
So are you an actuary?
 
Post the numbers to show how it was concessionary.
 
They wouldnt be new hires, people have recall rights and people can transfer before AA would hire off the streets.
 
Keep grasping at straws, why dont you just go by the name Chicken Little.

I know LAA doesn't have their own ramp here.  That doesn't matter.  Nothing is stopping LAA from having ramp openings here.  If there are LAA on recall, then they would get first crack.  But nothing is stopping LAA from deciding to have ramp openings here or PHL and then using those "TWU" members as vendors to do our work.  Nothing prevents that.

 

[700UW]

You are so smart.
 
Yep they are going to bring in 1,000s of PMAA rampers to work US flights while US' own ramp sits in the breakroom getting paid.
 
And if one PMAA touches a PMUS Aircraft that immediately triggers the job protections at that stations.
 
Do you actually think before you post?
 
Dream up a new conspiracy theory as yours doesnt hold water.
 
So please show us the numbers how the contract as concessionary.
 
Show us the healthcare concessions.
 
Oh you conveniently skipped that part.

 

[charlie Brown]

People have to realize certain people would spin something negative no matter what. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Anybody that says this is a cost neutral or negative contract simply has no clue on what they are talking about, and they think people on here are naive enough to believe them. The scope was by far the number one issue across the system. We got it!! For those that think the company is going g to let you sit and watch ball games and pay you while they hire others to do your work is a joke!! No displacement out of any a station they cross utilize in does protect the work. Or else you're gonna be sitting there doing nothing and getting paid. Yea that makes good business since. Some of you negative guys need to go to another topic and find something to complain about. Everyone on here already has you figured out even though you may not think so.

 

[WeAAsles]

People have to realize certain people would spin something negative no matter what. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Anybody that says this is a cost neutral or negative contract simply has no clue on what they are talking about, and they think people on here are naive enough to believe them. The scope was by far the number one issue across the system. We got it!! For those that think the company is going g to let you sit and watch ball games and pay you while they hire others to do your work is a joke!! No displacement out of any a station they cross utilize in does protect the work. Or else you're gonna be sitting there doing nothing and getting paid. Yea that makes good business since. Some of you negative guys need to go to another topic and find something to complain about. Everyone on here already has you figured out even though you may not think so.

The only negative guys are the same one guy posting under multiple names to make it appear as if he has support when he has none whatsoever.

And reading his posts he has absolutely no clue what he is talking about. Mostly babble.

 

[Tim Nelson]

People have to realize certain people would spin something negative no matter what. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Anybody that says this is a cost neutral or negative contract simply has no clue on what they are talking about, and they think people on here are naive enough to believe them. The scope was by far the number one issue across the system. We got it!! For those that think the company is going g to let you sit and watch ball games and pay you while they hire others to do your work is a joke!! No displacement out of any a station they cross utilize in does protect the work. Or else you're gonna be sitting there doing nothing and getting paid. Yea that makes good business since. Some of you negative guys need to go to another topic and find something to complain about. Everyone on here already has you figured out even though you may not think so.

Giving up our scope to another union was a big concession. I realize your opinion is biased and you cant admit that even though the contract claims it was part of the exchange for protecting other stations.

Im not sure where you reason that your members would be sitting if they hire new hires at LAA in clt. Vendors suppliment other workers and fill in the gaps and cut back on other things. I can think of plenty of smart reasons why LAA would hire new hires in clt and have them take your work. If they did so then this is on you.

 

[700UW]

How truly stupid are you?
 
PMAA has recall rights if they bring back ramp in CLT, and then they have to open it up to transfers before they hire off the street.
 
CLT has 1400 PMUS fleet, yep they are going to bring PMAA in to work US flights.
 
You are truly just an ignorant crap stirrer.
 
You are making stuff up once again, get a life.

 

[Tim Nelson]

People have to realize certain people would spin something negative no matter what. It shouldn't surprise anyone. Anybody that says this is a cost neutral or negative contract simply has no clue on what they are talking about, and they think people on here are naive enough to believe them. The scope was by far the number one issue across the system. We got it!! For those that think the company is going g to let you sit and watch ball games and pay you while they hire others to do your work is a joke!! No displacement out of any a station they cross utilize in does protect the work. Or else you're gonna be sitting there doing nothing and getting paid. Yea that makes good business since. Some of you negative guys need to go to another topic and find something to complain about. Everyone on here already has you figured out even though you may not think so.

The real problem is that you actually seem oblivious to this problem.  Let me ask you this,  if the company could have Piedmont Airlines over on E con do your work,  do you think they would allow Piedmont workers to encroach upon your work?  Yep, you bet they would, but they can't, right?    OTOH,  you just gave them the vendor it needed whenever the Company would like to do this.  I don't care if it is a union group or not, if it vends out any of our work, as LAA could with creating 'openings' under its contract.  You should have thought about that.  Not sure how much OT you work, but maybe you should have considered DCA and the several other stations who already have LAA TWU members and can encroach upon our work.  Bad things man.....bad things.   But you made sure you gave people no option but to vote yes since you guys refused to do a strike vote and everyone knew it was either "Accept what daddy says," or go into joint talks with $0.   I'm surprised the % of yes voters wasn't higher than what it was with the gun pointed at them.

 

[charlie Brown]

Giving up our scope to another union was a big concession. I realize your opinion is biased and you cant admit that even though the contract claims it was part of the exchange for protecting other stations.
Im not sure where you reason that your members would be sitting if they hire new hires at LAA in clt. Vendors suppliment other workers and fill in the gaps and cut back on other things. I can think of plenty of smart reasons why LAA would hire new hires in clt and have them take your work. If they did so then this is on you.

Tim
They can't just hire a LAA guy and bring him in to clt. Read the TWU contract. They have to go up to a certain number to bring back a city that's been contracted out. Read our T/a. The cross utilization is only if both unions are on the ground. That is for 12 stations system wide. Like you in ord. They can't displace out of ord any us fleet if any TWU member does your work. So please tell me why they would take work from you in ord if your going to be there anyway. I'm pretty sure you'll see the TWU go get a loa with the same language on it to protect their members in the same matter. You guys are trying to dig up scenarios that would never exist. Move to the next issue.

 

[737823]

What are the implications with the alliance? CLT has no scope for AA currently and per the alliance agreement is an IAM station so they will pay dues to the IAM and be subject to the TWU CBA.

Josh

 

[Tim Nelson]

Tim
They can't just hire a LAA guy and bring him in to clt. Read the TWU contract. They have to go up to a certain number to bring back a city that's been contracted out. Read our T/a. The cross utilization is only if both unions are on the ground. That is for 12 stations system wide. Like you in ord. They can't displace out of ord any us fleet if any TWU member does your work. So please tell me why they would take work from you in ord if your going to be there anyway. I'm pretty sure you'll see the TWU go get a loa with the same language on it to protect their members in the same matter. You guys are trying to dig up scenarios that would never exist. Move to the next issue.

Of course they can insource CLT.  They just don't have to.  There is nothing in their contract that prohibits LAA from insourcing CLT.  Stop making things up Charlie Brown.  You blew it.   Nobody in DCA, ORD, MIA, TPA was in danger of being displaced so stop making things up like you saved jobs.  It was a concession and you just aren't man enough to admit it.  I know it, and you know it and anyone else who understands these things knows it.  This is the first contract where one union agrees to give another union the right to do our work. I'll come back at you and explain how this works out in ORD in a few months.

 

[charlie Brown]

The real problem is that you actually seem oblivious to this problem.  Let me ask you this,  if the company could have Piedmont Airlines over on E con do your work,  do you think they would allow Piedmont workers to encroach upon your work?  Yep, you bet they would, but they can't, right?    OTOH,  you just gave them the vendor it needed whenever the Company would like to do this.  I don't care if it is a union group or not, if it vends out any of our work, as LAA could with creating 'openings' under its contract.  You should have thought about that.  Not sure how much OT you work, but maybe you should have considered DCA and the several other stations who already have LAA TWU members and can encroach upon our work.  Bad things man.....bad things.   But you made sure you gave people no option but to vote yes since you guys refused to do a strike vote and everyone knew it was either "Accept what daddy says," or go into joint talks with $0.   I'm surprised the % of yes voters wasn't higher than what it was with the gun pointed at them.

I don't know if your truly clueless? Or just trying g to play people on here.
As far as overtime work goes. The company could currently hire enough employees now PT to cut the overtime if they so chose. This isn't about trying to cut overtime. Look I knew you would spin things in your own way. But you really are looking clueless on here with what your saying.

 

[charlie Brown]

Of course they can insource CLT.  They just don't have to.  There is nothing in their contract that prohibits LAA from insourcing CLT.  Stop making things up Charlie Brown.  You blew it.   Nobody in DCA, ORD, MIA, TPA was in danger of being displaced so stop making things up like you saved jobs.  It was a concession and you just aren't man enough to admit it.  I know it, and you know it and anyone else who understands these things knows it.  This is the first contract where one union agrees to give another union the right to do our work. I'll come back at you and explain how this works out in ORD in a few months.

Not making anything up. Why would they Insource a station in clt when we already have 1400 people on the ground Tim. Your reaching my friend. And when you come back and tell me how it's working in ord. Make sure you post how many US guys have lost their jobs in ord when you come back. And it wasn't currently
that we were worried about. What do you think could happen if the company gets SOC and the name US airways disappeared, and all these new jets coming in are AA metal. Think our people in MIA could have been displaced then.

 

[P. REZ]

The real problem is that you actually seem oblivious to this problem.  Let me ask you this,  if the company could have Piedmont Airlines over on E con do your work,  do you think they would allow Piedmont workers to encroach upon your work?  Yep, you bet they would, but they can't, right?    OTOH,  you just gave them the vendor it needed whenever the Company would like to do this.  I don't care if it is a union group or not, if it vends out any of our work, as LAA could with creating 'openings' under its contract.  You should have thought about that.  Not sure how much OT you work, but maybe you should have considered DCA and the several other stations who already have LAA TWU members and can encroach upon our work.  Bad things man.....bad things.   But you made sure you gave people no option but to vote yes since you guys refused to do a strike vote and everyone knew it was either "Accept what daddy says," or go into joint talks with $0.   I'm surprised the % of yes voters wasn't higher than what it was with the gun pointed at them.

Tim,
 
If this would have been voted down we would have gone back to the NMB after figuring what went wrong. If a release was to be in the cards at some point in time a strike vote would have occurred then. I did not hear one person make the comment about having a gun to their head. Where do you get this stuff? Move on!!!!! Don't disrespect the membership, they voted 86% and were informed.
 
P. Rez  

 

[DFWFSC]

What protections are there if PMUS closes a station all together and there are no US flights in that station any longer?

 

[Tim Nelson]

Not making anything up. Why would they Insource a station in clt when we already have 1400 people on the ground Tim. Your reaching my friend. And when you come back and tell me how it's working in ord. Make sure you post how many US guys have lost their jobs in ord when you come back. And it wasn't currently
that we were worried about. What do you think could happen if the company gets SOC and the name US airways disappeared, and all these new jets coming in are AA metal. Think our people in MIA could have been displaced then.

lets start answering the question by asking why the company wanted this?

Yes or no, will you admit cross utilization was a concession by itself or are you willing to say it wont affect us negatively in any way? Was stevie, willis, and frankie g exited about giving this to management for their station? As of today, this will affect 7 out of 10 of our biggest stations, including dca bos lga.