2014 Fleet Service Discussion

[roabilly]

Does he realize that his benefits as a retiree puts him close to last on the list?...If he is loaded then ok. He will buy a seat i guess so I'm not getting his reasoning.....

Agree...
 
Hell... just having to ride that friggin' shuttle bus for three more years should spur SOME interest!

 

[ograc]

I stand corrected. My point was a PEB would be appointed before the ink was dry on the NMB's release; if or when that would happen. In the meantime; I foresee ratification of the current TA. After that; It's time to LOCK and LOAD! The company is coming after jobs, not only in outline stations, but the hubs. We may have won a battle, as it pertains to job protection and scope, but we have not yet won the war. This agreement affords the leverage to continue the fight in JCBA talks.   

 

[charlie Brown]

I stand corrected. My point was a PEB would be appointed before the ink was dry on the NMB's release; if or when that would happen. In the meantime; I foresee ratification of the current TA. After that; It's time to LOCK and LOAD! The company is coming after jobs, not only in outline stations, but the hubs. We may have won a battle, as it pertains to job protection and scope, but we have not yet won the war. This agreement affords the leverage to continue the fight in JCBA talks.

Very well put Ograc. Couldn't have stated that any better. I hope people look at this as a step in the right direction. This scope gives us leverage in joint talks that we never could have had if we didn't get it. Regardless of the BS some people are trying to get you to believe.

 

[Tim Nelson]

Very well put Ograc. Couldn't have stated that any better. I hope people look at this as a step in the right direction. This scope gives us leverage in joint talks that we never could have had if we didn't get it. Regardless of the BS some people are trying to get you to believe.

You realize that leverage was lessoned though with the cross utilization clause which was what ole AH got in exchange?
I think he has the twu where he likes them and will use that contract against us and also let them flow over to our work at cross utilized stations that give him some good seamlessness at many combined stations. On the usairways side im sure he will have some discomfort by having to keep the few small stations opened that fell below 56 flights a week but with the union agreeing to no insourcing of expanding stations like iah, along with the cross utilization, im sure ole AH can tolerate the neutrality of the exchange without bothering on improving the twuor iam contract in joint negotiations unless he gets something in return. Toss in that he nailed down his protections against any health care risk. Why would he bother with a joint unless it was another cost neutral contract?

 

[charlie Brown]

You realize that leverage was lessoned though with the cross utilization clause which was what ole AH got in exchange?
I think he has the twu where he likes them and will use that contract against us and also let them flow over to our work at cross utilized stations that give him some good seamlessness at many combined stations. On the usairways side im sure he will have some discomfort by having to keep the few small stations opened that fell below 56 flights a week but with the union agreeing to no insourcing of expanding stations like iah, along with the cross utilization, im sure ole AH can tolerate the neutrality of the exchange without bothering on improving the twuor iam contract in joint negotiations unless he gets something in return. Toss in that he nailed down his protections against any health care risk. Why would he bother with a joint unless it was another cost neutral contract?

No I don't realize that. And I disagree with you completely. We've already covered the excise tax letter. Now tell me what problem you have if cross utilization. Your in ord. Tell me why you have a problem with it. As soon as they cross utilize in ord. It kicks in the no displacement clause for you guys. Meaning that a guy with one day seniority can't be displaced out of ord. Why do you have a problem with that??

 

[mike33]

No I don't realize that. And I disagree with you completely. We've already covered the excise tax letter. Now tell me what problem you have if cross utilization. Your in ord. Tell me why you have a problem with it. As soon as they cross utilize in ord. It kicks in the no displacement clause for you guys. Meaning that a guy with one day seniority can't be displaced out of ord. Why do you have a problem with that??

I think because he missed that part and has to have a agenda in every situation. He doesn't realize that they should be happy if AA guys touch 1 bag. They can work the whole flt if they want and he can't be displaced! Period!

 

[Tim Nelson]

No I don't realize that. And I disagree with you completely. We've already covered the excise tax letter. Now tell me what problem you have if cross utilization. Your in ord. Tell me why you have a problem with it. As soon as they cross utilize in ord. It kicks in the no displacement clause for you guys. Meaning that a guy with one day seniority can't be displaced out of ord. Why do you have a problem with that??

Giving others the right to my job is no small thing as AH knows. Yes, i have a problem with that because it could erode our work, and it reduces leverage moving forward since your members dont have exclusive rights to core work.

 

[robbedagain]

cb  I for one like this TA   Ive been reading it closely and as orgac put it  this is the step in the right direction 

 

[Tim Nelson]

I think because he missed that part and has to have a agenda in every situation. He doesn't realize that they should be happy if AA guys touch 1 bag. They can work the whole flt if they want and he can't be displaced! Period!

nobody should be happy with allowing others to do your work. What agenda are you talking about? I simply answered a question and was talking to charlie brown.

Giving up work so i can sit on my butt has consequences. A former PSA guy should know that.

At any rate, disappointing that you and a negotiator cant at least recognize cross utilization as a concession. In the contract, its actually called an exchange for scope.

 

[charlie Brown]

nobody should be happy with allowing others to do your work. What agenda are you talking about? I simply answered a question and was talking to charlie brown.
Giving up work so i can sit on my butt has consequences. A former PSA guy should know that.
At any rate, disappointing that you and a negotiator cant at least recognize cross utilization as a concession. In the contract, its actually called an exchange for scope.

Tim
Seriously?? You do realize protecting you from being displaced is the best way to protect your work!! That's the point. They aren't just gonna let you set on your ass and pay you 23.00 an hour. So since everyone is gonna be there no matter what, they will put you to work before anyone. You really stretching to say they are gonna just let you sit and do nothing. And your wrong on the leverage. The company would have the leverage if there was a drop dead date on this scope. But there isn't. And they are gonna want us to move off this scope in joint talks. We now have the leverage that we do t have to move if we don't want. Not sure you can spin a negative to that my friend.

 

[charlie Brown]

cb  I for one like this TA   Ive been reading it closely and as orgac put it  this is the step in the right direction

Robbed
If this had been a stand alone only agreement, then we probably wouldn't have brought it out. But the two biggest issues in the survey was 1. Job protection 2. Money. We achieved both of those issues with some other things added as well. It's a good first step to get us to the second step. That's how we look at it.

 

[robbedagain]

agree with you CB  you folks did a terrific job at obtaining the 2 main objectives  and as cargo said  this is the first step 

 

[charlie Brown]

agree with you CB  you folks did a terrific job at obtaining the 2 main objectives  and as cargo said  this is the first step

Thanks Robbed
It is a first step.

 

[IAM Member Here]

Tim
Seriously?? You do realize protecting you from being displaced is the best way to protect your work!! That's the point. They aren't just gonna let you set on your ass and pay you 23.00 an hour. So since everyone is gonna be there no matter what, they will put you to work before anyone. You really stretching to say they are gonna just let you sit and do nothing. And your wrong on the leverage. The company would have the leverage if there was a drop dead date on this scope. But there isn't. And they are gonna want us to move off this scope in joint talks. We now have the leverage that we do t have to move if we don't want. Not sure you can spin a negative to that my friend.

Tim is right about the cross utilization. IAM work should stay IAM work.  I know I wouldn't like that.  I hear ya on the protections but management's aim was probably to eliminate overtime and take over some transfer points if they exist. I have a question for you Charlie,  in CLT, is it possible that TWU members can eventually work here?  Does the cross utilization just apply to the certain stations where there are both TWU and IAM now, or can cross utilization exist at other stations if management decides to recall TWU members at a station or otherwise give them the LAA work?

 

[charlie Brown]

Tim is right about the cross utilization. IAM work should stay IAM work.  I know I wouldn't like that.  I hear ya on the protections but management's aim was probably to eliminate overtime and take over some transfer points if they exist. I have a question for you Charlie,  in CLT, is it possible that TWU members can eventually work here?  Does the cross utilization just apply to the certain stations where there are both TWU and IAM now, or can cross utilization exist at other stations if management decides to recall TWU members at a station or otherwise give them the LAA work?

There are 12 stations where they can cross utilize in this agreement. The t/a states it's where both the IAM & TWU are both on the ground. And I have to disagree with you and Tim. I think the best way you can preserve IAM work is to assure everyone is going to be there. You guys that think they are just going to pay you and let you set on your lap tops, are dreaming. And even if that were true and you get bored. I'm sure you could ask management if you could volunteer to go help out and they would let ya. If you are serious and really think it's possible to just sit and do nothing.