Yooo hooo Mr. Pilot Man

[BoeingBoy]

Boeing Boy, I don't understand the "downside" of f/as having the same FAR restrictions as the cockpit.

The "downside" is that the F/A's trips won't pay as much since their time will be artifically limited by the pilot's FAR's.

As you said, one's personal viewpoint determines whether that's really a downside or not. It's one thing to fly more because you can do 2 long legs a day instead of one, or even one long and one medium length. It can be different if it means doing 8 shorter legs a day for 3-4 14 hour days.

Jim

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> :down: Hey, make your own dam trip sheet. I'm not your secretary or your babysitter. Are you folks so lazy you can't go to option #4 and type the word (YES) next to print.

This trip sheet and sign in crap is leftover USair rusthead nonsense.

Yeah, and that Rusthead nonsense with putting down the loads for each leg.

Fools.

<SNIP>The "downside" is that the F/A's trips won't pay as much since their time will be artifically limited by the pilot's FAR's.

Now I remember why I was doing all those extra trips – 30 hour Four Days!

 

[jimntx]

The "downside" is that the F/A's trips won't pay as much since their time will be artifically limited by the pilot's FAR's.

As you said, one's personal viewpoint determines whether that's really a downside or not. It's one thing to fly more because you can do 2 long legs a day instead of one, or even one long and one medium length. It can be different if it means doing 8 shorter legs a day for 3-4 14 hour days.

Jim

I hadn't thought of that. Thanks for the response. Though, I would still rather get a decent night's sleep given our duty days lately. We get VERY few 2 leg days. (Though I shouldn't kick. Next month I'm holding 2-day trips with 3 legs the first day and 2 the second. And, as a matter of fact I have the same cockpit crew both days and we all layover together. But, this is a really rare occurrence at AA.)

 

[ab320driver]

Great attitude! Boy, am glad you're based in PHL and not CLT. I pity the poor f/a's that have to fly with an ass like you. Your sorry butt can sit in your right seat and rot before I ever give you a crumb and you better watch your attitude...you never know whats in your f/c meal..if you DO get one. There are some mean f/a's in PHL who will NOT put up with your crap and will provide you with a little extra something something on, under, or in your food. :down: :down: :down:

You think food is some sort of threat? Some Sally just b@tched that the pilots didn't offer to fetch food for them on a stop-over! Talk about attitude...

 

[desertgal]

I don't understand the "downside" of f/as having the same FAR restrictions as the cockpit. Lord knows when I see the cockpit leaving for one hotel and a 14-15 hour layover and I am going to the airport hotel with a 9.5 hour layover after a 12.32 duty day today and a 12.50 hour duty day tomorrow, I see a definite "upside" to having the same restrictions.

Its not just the duty limitations that are more flexible, but the FA can switch between a/c types, not having Airport Appreciation time until the same type comes along.
So, at west, 737s are mixed with airbus.
It cuts down on some of the sit-time, and better pairings can be generated.
Altho, we have some of the 12hr day/9hr l/o trips you mentioned!
I'm a commuter, so I don't mind them.
My favorite trip is a 3day with 4legs worth 16 or more credits and done in less than 48hours.

Some Sally just b@tched that the pilots didn't offer to fetch food for them on a stop-over! Talk about attitude...

I have to agree with that particular gripe.
Running off to get food while FAs are stuck on the a/c, and not even offering to pick them up something (we're not talking PAY for it) is EXTREMELY discourteous.

 

[LCC_#1]

I have to agree with that particular gripe.
Running off to get food while FAs are stuck on the a/c, and not even offering to pick them up something (we're not talking PAY for it) is EXTREMELY discourteous.

I love you, desertgal!! :wub:

 

[algflyr]

You think food is some sort of threat? Some Sally just b@tched that the pilots didn't offer to fetch food for them on a stop-over! Talk about attitude...

Well I see her point. If you are delayed for several hours before takeoff and when you finally get to your destination it's PAST the next flights scheduled departure time, the FA's have to stay on the aircraft as the pax deplane, then they have to clean the aircraft (pillows, blankets, trash, seatbelts, etc) then the gate agents are rushing to board the next flight for which they have to be onboard the aircraft, when can they go get food? The pilots can leave as soon as the checklist is done, way prior to the pax getting off. The FA's job is not over when they get to the gate. It seems to me it would be a common courtesy to offer to get them something. Not to buy it, but pick it up for them while they do all the other work they must do (and not getting paid for it to boot...) You sound like pedropat whining about making a trip sheet.

 

[BoeingBoy]

Running off to get food while FAs are stuck on the a/c, and not even offering to pick them up something (we're not talking PAY for it) is EXTREMELY discourteous.

A decent captain would pay for it - going over schedule a couple of minutes here and there covers that.....

Jim

 

[Career Reserve]

A decent captain would pay for it - going over schedule a couple of minutes here and there covers that.....

Jim

You (ladies and gentlemen) are a rare find out there; and when we do fly with someone like that the worst of trips with it's delays, frustrations etc....just melt away.
Things don't annoy the crew members as much after an act of kindness
Never under estimate the power of a little LOVE. :

 

[awausairtech]

A decent captain would pay for it - going over schedule a couple of minutes here and there covers that.....

Jim

A REAL CREW MEMBER...I WILL FIX YOUR PLANE ANY DAY.
With What The AFT CREW Has To DEAL With Day To Day
YOU THE MAN!
OOOOO AND LETS NOT FORGET ABOUT THE GATE AGENTS!!!!

MY HAT IS OFF FOR THEM WHO HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE PAX's.

THEY DO NOT PAY ENOUGH FOR THAT BS.......

 

[flygirl74]

:down: Hey, make your own dam trip sheet. I'm not your secretary or your babysitter. Are you folks so lazy you can't go to option #4 and type the word (YES) next to print. Almost every F/O has been a Captain at USAirways and no one here except the furloughed guys has taken a bigger pay cut than us. So I fly the airplane to the best of my ability and go home. That's it, you want a secretary go hire one, and I'll be glad to get my own coffee.

This trip sheet and sign in crap is leftover USair rusthead nonsense.
PedroPat
PHL

You probably don't tip your call girl either...because it's her job.
Take some time in between reading magazines(that you scarfed while "pretending" to clean a/c)and look up courtesy in the dictionary, Richard C.

 

[jerseyfinn]

I must say that this is an interesting discussion from the pax point of view. I've always thought that I was pretty heads up when we travel, but now I realize that I was not thinking outside of the bubble. One should take a few seconds to be sure that things are OK in the room before settling in. I'll definitely talk with my wife about these things.

With that in mind, I was always under the impression that FCs usually stay together. Additionally I thought that crews are put up at or very near the airport. Is this not the usual case or does it vary by city?

Barry

 

[hp_fa]

With that in mind, I was always under the impression that FCs usually stay together. Additionally I thought that crews are put up at or very near the airport. Is this not the usual case or does it vary by city?

Barry

Depending on the length of the layover, the union contracts with the company and the city you can find flight crews at or near the airport, downtown, or somewhere in between. Specific hotels will not be discussed by me since it is a security issue.

It is always a good idea to check your room as soon as you open the door. If someone is not with you, open the door and position your bag so it holds the door open. Turn on the lights and look inside. If anything even seems strange, leave the room and call the front desk and/or security immediately.

 

[USCREW]

I miss some of our really nice hotels. We probably won't be seeing them anymore. Does anyone remember the long LAX, where they'd send a limousine for the crew sometimes? Or, St. Lucia, where we'd occasionally ride to the hotel in a helicopter? Thankfully, the hotels in Europe and in the Caribbean are still very nice. My very favorite is the one in Bermuda. I was lucky to hold a block of BDAs once. That was flying!!!!

 

[N965VJ]

<SNIP> Or, St. Lucia, where we'd occasionally ride to the hotel in a helicopter? Thankfully, the hotels in Europe and in the Caribbean are still very nice. My very favorite is the one in Bermuda.

<yawn>

I have fond memories of the Airport Motel in TOL.

If it was available, you could get the waterbed room. Shooting some pool on the table in the lobby with the red felt. Borrowing the front desk guy’s car to go up to Loma Linda’s for the best Mexican food east of the Mississippi.

That was the life.

Oh, and no arguing about the van time; you hoofed it to the terminal!