yep tulsa you were mislead by the twu AGAIN

[Bob Owens]

Anything should unequivocally be challenged and a second opinion sought .

Unless of course that second opinion is yours.

 

[lineguy43]

Dave is busy doing interviews making false claims about how many cards he has. Kind of like the AMP claims that they had all those cards as well.

AMFA is like the scientology. They play on people's ego's and insecurities in the hope that their craft union mantra will convince them that they will suddenly be happy and wealthy. The reference a AMT pay being so high when you are AMFA and promise it can be you too. They fail to mention that out of the original 25,000 that they told that story to only a few thousand ever got that money. Not all of us can be Tom Cruise or John Travolta I guess.

Ok you don't like AMFA i get it...But how can you possibly defend the Twu or the reamsters? Their record totally sucks for mechanics (except for the reamsters at UPS) the Twu has a pretty good record for dispatchers but their record for AMT's is abysmal at best. I want you to tell me why any mechanic anywhere would be better off with either the Twu or Ibt Vs AMFA? I work at non-union FX and my salary is based upon the top pay that AMFA got us in 2001 not anything the Ibt-Iam or Twu got anyone. and that is a solid fact. Like it or not the industrial unions are not and never will be trend setters or setting any bars for pay and benefits.

 

[AC Tynker]

Unless of course that second opinion is yours.

True enough 8Ball Bob. He needs to ask for yours but ask the same exact question multiple times so we can all sit back and laugh when you change your angle and answer everytime. If nothing else you are good entertainment because your "Guruship of everything Law and Aviation" sucks.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

So your goal was to get to a PEB eventually? Missed that BK thing getting in the way didn't you? You know, the one that was a scare tactic.

You mislead constantly Chuck. You try to convince people that we had some kind of leverage in BK when we had none. Yes we could have voted no and risked a favorable ruling by Lane but that was very unlikely. The APA is feeling that and now they are throwing a tantrum. (I am sure, just as you should be, that AA is planning to take the APA to court for a TRO like they did with us.) Had we voted down the CBA then we would have faced the implications of the term sheet. Based on the Company's Transition Plan the cuts would have been deep like they said they would have under abrogation. AA management is going crazy trying to outsource as much as they can quickly. Under the 3/22 term sheet they would have done the same while your hero Bob and the rest of the vote no coalition tried to get AA to give in to your demands. You know what, AA probably would have given most of what you guys wanted pay wise but that would have been after only DWH and a much smaller TUL was left.

Yes, The PEB was the goal but we had to get through the BK to get there. If we got a favorable ruling from the judge great and if we didn't then our goal would be the PEB as a way to fight like hell instead of pretending to fight like hell. If anyone misleads it is our international and the company for letting the members actually believe over and over again that there was a "fight like hell plan" when there was none other than give in!
what surprises me is that in officer training given by the TWU they highlight Mike Quill and praise him for his accomplishments. Yet, the TWU ATD follow nothing what he stood for and knock people who believe in his union mentality. Who is misleading now? the basics of unionism being taught at TWU training and are not followed in action. He "Fought like hell" and stood up to management taking the risk in order to benefit the members. He was not guarenteed of a positive outcome but he took it to the max and he had success. no one knocks him for his courage to take on the commpany and the government without a guarenteed positive outcome. Is it too much to ask for our union to act like the union leaders they preach about and not act like corporate union leaders taking all they can for themselves without regard to its members?
and yes I am still angry!

 

[1AA]

Can't wait for the spin on your last post Chuck. Very good and I might say pretty sad that the TWU talks a whole lot of crap. We all know were crap ends up at the end of its travels.

 

[Realityck]

Yes, The PEB was the goal but we had to get through the BK to get there. If we got a favorable ruling from the judge great and if we didn't then our goal would be the PEB as a way to fight like hell instead of pretending to fight like hell. If anyone misleads it is our international and the company for letting the members actually believe over and over again that there was a "fight like hell plan" when there was none other than give in!
what surprises me is that in officer training given by the TWU they highlight Mike Quill and praise him for his accomplishments. Yet, the TWU ATD follow nothing what he stood for and knock people who believe in his union mentality. Who is misleading now? the basics of unionism being taught at TWU training and are not followed in action. He "Fought like hell" and stood up to management taking the risk in order to benefit the members. He was not guarenteed of a positive outcome but he took it to the max and he had success. no one knocks him for his courage to take on the commpany and the government without a guarenteed positive outcome. Is it too much to ask for our union to act like the union leaders they preach about and not act like corporate union leaders taking all they can for themselves without regard to its members?
and yes I am still angry!

So your latest prediction is a term sheet followed by a PEB was the way to go? I know you and Bob know everything, but so far your predictions haven’t turned out for s—t. And you and your AMFA & vote No cronies successfully got the 2010 T/A rejected. We won’t forget who deserves the credit for that brilliant strategy.

 

[1AA]

So the TWU knows more? What about the lay off numbers that Tulsa reps are crying about. What else is the company going to do that the TWU promised its members to vote Yes on? The TWU contract gives a whole new meaning to FILL IN THE BLANKS.

 

[AC Tynker]

So the TWU knows more? What about the lay off numbers that Tulsa reps are crying about. What else is the company going to do that the TWU promised its members to vote Yes on? The TWU contract gives a whole new meaning to FILL IN THE BLANKS.

What Reps are crying about numbers? I hadn't heard that one.

 

[1AA]

What Reps are crying about numbers? I hadn't heard that one.

HEWITT on television being interviewed. He pleaded for AA to revisit the numbers. You missed it? Everyone else on this board saw it. Unless you are Hewitt.

 

[Chuck Schalk]

So your latest prediction is a term sheet followed by a PEB was the way to go? I know you and Bob know everything, but so far your predictions haven’t turned out for s—t. And you and your AMFA & vote No cronies successfully got the 2010 T/A rejected. We won’t forget who deserves the credit for that brilliant strategy.

good come back......... I have to say you guys are very good at avoiding. Can you try to stay on topic.

 

[Rogallo]

The techniques of spin include:

• Selectively presenting facts and quotes that support one's position (cherry picking)
• Non-denial denial
• Phrasing in a way that assumes unproven truths
• Euphemisms to disguise or promote one's agenda

 

[AC Tynker]

HEWITT on television being interviewed. He pleaded for AA to revisit the numbers. You missed it? Everyone else on this board saw it. Unless you are Hewitt.

Been on afternoons for many years and have kids. Unless The Avengers start doing local news I guess I will stay somewhat in the dark. I'll have to look that one up I missed it. Thanks.

 

[1AA]

Been on afternoons for many years and have kids. Unless The Avengers start doing local news I guess I will stay somewhat in the dark. I'll have to look that one up I missed it. Thanks.

http://www.newson6.com/category/121535/video-page?clipId=7714329&autostart=true

 

[High Speed Steel]

Yes, The PEB was the goal but we had to get through the BK to get there. If we got a favorable ruling from the judge great and if we didn't then our goal would be the PEB as a way to fight like hell instead of pretending to fight like hell. If anyone misleads it is our international and the company for letting the members actually believe over and over again that there was a "fight like hell plan" when there was none other than give in!
what surprises me is that in officer training given by the TWU they highlight Mike Quill and praise him for his accomplishments. Yet, the TWU ATD follow nothing what he stood for and knock people who believe in his union mentality. Who is misleading now? the basics of unionism being taught at TWU training and are not followed in action. He "Fought like hell" and stood up to management taking the risk in order to benefit the members. He was not guarenteed of a positive outcome but he took it to the max and he had success. no one knocks him for his courage to take on the commpany and the government without a guarenteed positive outcome. Is it too much to ask for our union to act like the union leaders they preach about and not act like corporate union leaders taking all they can for themselves without regard to its members?
and yes I am still angry!

Yes Mike Quill the founder of the Transport Workers Union in 1934 who served as its president for 30 years was a fighter. But this is no longer 1934 or 1966 and much has changed in favor of companies in trouble through the luxury of bankruptcy. In today's times Chapter 11 bankruptcy trump's or suspends the Railway Labor Act which governs our contract negotiations which encompass the PEB. We were not going to get there, noway , now how. The whole PEB argument to satisfy your anger would have most likely never came to be. Besides, it probably would have only lasted about 3 minutes before the order was given to get back to work. I was ready to put this one to bed and didn't have the will to experience 3 minutes of fame. It's time to move on and build for future negotiations down the road...

 

[DNTULSA]

Yes Mike Quill the founder of the Transport Workers Union in 1934 who served as its president for 30 years was a fighter. But this is no longer 1934 or 1966 and much has changed in favor of companies in trouble through the luxury of bankruptcy. In today's times Chapter 11 bankruptcy trump's or suspends the Railway Labor Act which governs our contract negotiations which encompass the PEB. We were not going to get there, noway , now how. The whole PEB argument to satisfy your anger would have most likely never came to be. Besides, it probably would have only lasted about 3 minutes before the order was given to get back to work. I was ready to put this one to bed and didn't have the will to experience 3 minutes of fame. It's time to move on and build for future negotiations down the road...

We'll get them next time!!! (snicker)