WN Mechanics seek mediation

[dgaf]

If GK really wants to get a deal done, how about he do the following.
1. Go visit Herb's memorial, and ask, "what would you do Herbie"?
2. Go to the next damned meeting and that way there is none of this ongoing crap about nobody with bargaining power is at the negotiating sessions so we have to check with the puppet masters, back at HQ.

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve, to be 100% compliant"................Admiral Crowmomoto.

 

[B737 driver]

I am nea

If GK really wants to get a deal done, how about he do the following.
1. Go visit Herb's memorial, and ask, "what would you do Herbie"?
2. Go to the next damned meeting and that way there is none of this ongoing crap about nobody with bargaining power is at the negotiating sessions so we have to check with the puppet masters, back at HQ.

I am neutral I blame both sides. I just see all this crap as another excuse to not get anything done.

 

[WeAAsles]

I hit the No button.

https://www.prweek.com/article/1562666/high-flying-flop-southwest-blamed-union-cancellations

 

[Kev3188]

They don't have too there are electronic trails everytime you log on, wouldn't be hard to trace it.

I think a lot of employees (at all carriers) forget how easy it is for companies to trace them...

 

[swamt]

Interesting quotes from our CEO from the article below. Quite funny how the ones responsible for the long dragged out nego's will always say that it would not be good to point the finger at who is responsible. Quotes removed by me.

"They also deserve a new labor contract," Kelly wrote. "Despite the fact that our other large groups' contracts were done years ago, AMFA's contract negotiations drag on."

Just gotta love this one:

Kelly said it's not productive to assign blame for past events, but did mention that the deal mechanics voted down last year would have made them the highest-paid mechanics in the commercial airline industry.

Not totally true here. Some others are higher than us.

Here's the entire article...

Southwest says spike in out-of-service aircraft caused by group of 100 mechanics

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

Here is a response from SWAPA:

https://markets.businessinsider.com...-on-state-of-operational-emergency-1027982000

 

[swamt]

Here is a response from SWAPA:

https://markets.businessinsider.com...-on-state-of-operational-emergency-1027982000

I hope that letter from Mr. Weaks made all our mechanics proud as it did me. Thanks to the men and women of SWAPA for supporting our mechanics and praising them for their jobs well done. I just LUV the way our unions have come together in support of one another instead of the way the company wanted it with groups solely on their own. Ever since we all came together, it's been a much, much more efficient, productive and awarding relationship for all involved.

I really want to point out an issue that Mr. weaks brought up.
The co. is strongly accusing the mechanics of a job action and yet no proof of illegal or fake write-ups (non-safety write-ups) they have all been legit, so how can they accuse them of an illegal action? Isn't that slanderism? A direct hit on our reputation as aircraft mechanics? Can something (legally) be done? Maybe charges filed? They are trying real hard to make a group of mechanics look like they are doing a job action against the co., they have claimed 100 mechanics. And Weaks have pointed out, as has AMFA that they are all safety and legit write-ups with even a bunch of them coming from our professional pilots themselves, but we never hear a single word about that now do we. Why is that Southwest? Why are you just attacking the mechanics after Southwest has demanded "Compliance, Compliance, Compliance"?
At least our CEO praised the mechanics for going above and beyond to get the aircraft back in service.
The pra below stood out to me...

What is glaringly missing from Mr. Shaw's accusation is the fact that the Company has not stated that there has been any invalid, false, or fabricated safety write ups. Never.

This speaks volumes...

 

[swamt]

Hearing of a new offer coming. Gotta LUV these rumors huh? Have no idea of what request or changes are gonna be asked of by the co. Just hearing of a new adjusted offer coming to us at the March meetings. Maybe true, maybe not true. We will see come Mid Mar. Heard all this crap before, so not too excited about it as usual.

 

[sendmeupacrowsfoot]

Here is another good article:

https://www.mro-network.com/airline...end-mechanics-against-managements-accusations

 

[Birdman]

Many I talked to last weekend believe SW should be able to use whoever they want to maintain their fleet, outside of our protected work, knowing that they do so at their own peril. It's their business plan, not ours, and we can't protect them from themselves. Sure, let's exploit the horror stories of our a/c coming back from south of the border only to be taken back out of service for needed repairs. I agree it would be in the USA's best interest to let our own workers maintain our fleet but I also understand the tightening MRO market. Granted, SW could retain current domestic MRO contracts by outbidding their competition but we all know that's not their style. I honestly don't think at this juncture that we should draw a line in the sand in regard to international outsourcing but the 16 hour duty time and payed rest, that's non-negotiable. And finally SWAPA, many thanks for inserting yourselves into this safety issue paramount to protecting the flying public.

 

[swamt]

Here is another good article:

https://www.mro-network.com/airline...end-mechanics-against-managements-accusations

The quote below is what really stands out. The Pilots are seeing the eroding of this culture gfo right out the door.

SWAPA's unprompted entry into the fray is notable for several reasons. The pilots are not in negotiations. Their current contract, approved in 2016, is not amenable for more than a year, so they have little to gain directly. They also are not susceptible to the outsourcing threat that AMFA faces, as the airline does not contract out any flying.

Weaks pointed to eroding morale and the risk of challenges ahead as the motivators behind his organization's decision to speak out.

"It appears that our management is rehearsing the new Southwest Airlines labor relations playbook on the mechanics that will be used with other groups in the future," he said. "It is becoming abundantly clear that until [Southwest's top executives depart the pattern, this new formula for labor relations at Southwest Airlines will continue to gain steam and eradicate all vestiges of the foundational principles that made this airline the success it has become. In other words, we'll be just another legacy carrier. "

If it wasn't for the Pilots and F/A's giving us their full support we would already have been toasted by now.
Now, everyone is seeing the whole picture and that this is not the mechanics being greedy or out of line at all.

 

[swamt]

Many I talked to last weekend believe SW should be able to use whoever they want to maintain their fleet, outside of our protected work, knowing that they do so at their own peril. It's their business plan, not ours, and we can't protect them from themselves. Sure, let's exploit the horror stories of our a/c coming back from south of the border only to be taken back out of service for needed repairs. I agree it would be in the USA's best interest to let our own workers maintain our fleet but I also understand the tightening MRO market. Granted, SW could retain current domestic MRO contracts by outbidding their competition but we all know that's not their style. I honestly don't think at this juncture that we should draw a line in the sand in regard to international outsourcing but the 16 hour duty time and payed rest, that's non-negotiable. And finally SWAPA, many thanks for inserting yourselves into this safety issue paramount to protecting the flying public.

I don't see us stopping the IO, however, I would like to see restrictions applied or limits or something, not just an all out free to outsource any and all of it, nobody would agree to that.
PR needs to go back to when and why it was created, downlines, overtime and forced working conditions. Day trades PR can go by the waste side as far as I am concerned, that's a choice. 16 hr rule needs to be adjusted as well and I think the 24 hr rule we have now is fine, but I am hearing the co will be asking for 20. The 16 hr rule will force the co to hire more with how they love to run thin and call overtime when needed instead of hiring more mechanics, just the way they have always done it.
Me personally, I'm a NO vote if IO is in the offer. I will not support sending our a/c out of this country for maintenance, that's just me.
BTW; Anyone hearing of the SOE being lifted at some stations?

 

[B737 driver]

I don't see us stopping the IO, however, I would like to see restrictions applied or limits or something, not just an all out free to outsource any and all of it, nobody would agree to that.
PR needs to go back to when and why it was created, downlines, overtime and forced working conditions. Day trades PR can go by the waste side as far as I am concerned, that's a choice. 16 hr rule needs to be adjusted as well and I think the 24 hr rule we have now is fine, but I am hearing the co will be asking for 20. The 16 hr rule will force the co to hire more with how they love to run thin and call overtime when needed instead of hiring more mechanics, just the way they have always done it.
Me personally, I'm a NO vote if IO is in the offer. I will not support sending our a/c out of this country for maintenance, that's just me.
BTW; Anyone hearing of the SOE being lifted at some stations?

It was lifted in Phoenix, and Las Vegas.

 

[JREwing]

Is this funny, sad or absolutely pathetic?

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Of course we all know that whatever is posted on the internet is true.