WN Mechanics seek mediation

[700UW]

Wrong, they can ask for mediation in JCBA talks, they just cant be released to strike.

 

[blue collar]

So how many articles had WN and AMFA TAed?

TA'd means nothing. Still needs to be ratified for it to mean anything, but US will vote yes on anything given to them.

WN will see no agreement this year or next with the approach the company is taking.

 

[WeAAsles]

The situation at SWA and UAL is that they are past amendable dates and have rights for mediation and or arbitration. AA does not so foot dragging can happen from the company side and nothing can be done about it. Sadly we should have been further along in negotiations. I doubt I drove Bob Owens away or anyone else.

Ok but you're not factoring in a very important piece of the story here. Parker has stated that he is currently compensated 38% less than his peers. To gain that 38% he has to have deals done with every organized workgroup. That was something he agreed to with the secured creditors to allow the merger to take place. Those creditors did not want a repeat of the UAL nightmare. Not to mention that the Unions at AA didn't fight the merger like the Delta Pilots did when Parker made an advance to them.

Now this doesn't mean by a long shot that Parker is going to surrender the world to us but I'm sure that he would also like to be paid just as much as we do. And I'm sure the BOD feel the same way.

Once the last of the contracts are finished the airline can put in place all the plans it has for generating more revenue and more profits.

 

[xUT]

Ok but you're not factoring in a very important piece of the story here. Parker has stated that he is currently compensated 38% less than his peers. To gain that 38% he has to have deals done with every organized workgroup. That was something he agreed to with the secured creditors to allow the merger to take place. Those creditors did not want a repeat of the UAL nightmare. Not to mention that the Unions at AA didn't fight the merger like the Delta Pilots did when Parker made an advance to them.

Now this doesn't mean by a long shot that Parker is going to surrender the world to us but I'm sure that he would also like to be paid just as much as we do. And I'm sure the BOD feel the same way.

Once the last of the contracts are finished the airline can put in place all the plans it has for generating more revenue and more profits.

 
Thanks weezy, I laugh my a$$ of at most of your posts mainly because you are pulling crap out of thin air and portraying them as gospel. But hey, that's what you unistas do.
And you have a following.
 
AA A$$ociation is still more than 12 months away from even getting a TA 'that will be ratified' to give to the membership. Sure, they will give something and have salesmen such as you rationalize it in the positive.
Remember weezy, time is on your side and you don't want to rush to get a decent TA and the delay caused by the A$$ociation is a blessing.
But please keep up your A$$ociation Razzle Dazzle as it is quite entertaining.
 
B) xUT
 
B)

 

[xUT]

swamt will probably come back with "but they're generating record profits" Of course they are and they should go after as much of that as they can get. But the company is also going to come back with they have others who want to stake a claim on those profits as well. They're not going to take all the profits they make and just hand that to their employees.

But they should give out a reasonable slice of that pie. I think SWA management probably feels that they already have been doing that for the last decade in comparison to their peers who went through a lot of misery, bankruptcies and cost cuts that put them more in line to being able to compete against the SWA model.

That's what swamt and others are fighting against over there.

Why don't you read some of the crap you post?
You are consistently inconsistent.  
But that is how you roll...
B) xUT

 

[WeAAsles]

Thanks weezy, I laugh my a$$ of at most of your posts mainly because you are pulling crap out of thin air and portraying them as gospel. But hey, that's what you unistas do.
And you have a following.
 
AA A$$ociation is still more than 12 months away from even getting a TA 'that will be ratified' to give to the membership. Sure, they will give something and have salesmen such as you rationalize it in the positive.
Remember weezy, time is on your side and you don't want to rush to get a decent TA and the delay caused by the A$$ociation is a blessing.
But please keep up your A$$ociation Razzle Dazzle as it is quite entertaining.
 
B) xUT
 
B)

I'll have absolutely zero involvement and have that now on whatever maintenance eventually gets. As for my group I absolutely will advocate my opinions since it's my life that will be affected pass or fail.

And glad I make you laugh. It's my aim to spread as much cheer and sunshine as I get to the weary World types such as yourself.

 

[WeAAsles]

Why don't you read some of the crap you post?
You are consistently inconsistent.  
But that is how you roll...
B) xUT

Oh boy you really beat me this time in your argument. Wow do I feel small against that knowledgeable response of yours.

 

[xUT]

Oh boy you really beat me this time in your argument. Wow do I feel small against that knowledgeable response of yours.

as you should.
B) xUT

 

[WeAAsles]

as you should.
B) xUT

Doesn't get much better than conversing with some of you rocket scientists on Forums most days to pass the time during commercials.

 

[Birdman]

Excellent ad to educate the public on AMFA Mechanic negotiations.
http://www.amfa32.com/Advertising/DMN%20half%20page%20ad%20AMFA%20050116.pdf

 

[swamt]

Yes that was a good article.  
Birdman, have you heard anything about supporting our fellow Pilots in May? I have read where the F/A's are going to show their support, but nothing mentioned about the mechs.

 

[Birdman]

Yes that was a good article.  
Birdman, have you heard anything about supporting our fellow Pilots in May? I have read where the F/A's are going to show their support, but nothing mentioned about the mechs.

 
A few individuals but nothing organized by AMFA national. Leadership issues perhaps?

 

[swamt]

I read today where some employees are responding to the companies letter sent out to the mechanics.  Company claiming our salaries will increase by 82K a year on average. Yea right. Who is the bean counter doing this math?  The total offer is only 2.2% for each year that has pass and the 5 years going forward. Why in the world would we accept that? It's lower than the 3% average that has been offered in bad or slow times. This 2-3% crap doesn't fly any longer during these record upon record quarters and profits, not to mention that there is no retro involved with this offer.  Asking for concessionary language is just crazy. SWA is making record upon record profits using our current contract language and the mediators will see this, now is not the time for concessionary language.  Back to the drawing board SWA. Rewrite the offer, change the numbers, and get rid of the concessionary request and then we might take a look at it.  

 

[700UW]

Mediator only facilitates, he doesn't negotiate

 

[Birdman]

Mediator only facilitates, he doesn't negotiate

It's hard to take the company reps seriously when they use terms like "unsustainable" in reference to any concessionary must have. EVERYTHING is sustainable in year after year of record profits. Even a neutral facilitator, or even a caveman understands that.