Yes. And unbelievable how quiet it is about our current nego's. According to the co. it's they get all the wants 100% or there will be no contract. Well, I guess there will be no contract then. The co's offer is belittling us all. Their offer is a typical "as we were" offer, when now we are making record everything. They need to get a clue. Their measly offer no way aligns with their ask. So I guess we will just continue with what we have. Looks like there will be no contract this year or even next year. I pray our nego cmte. does not fold to these pathetic wants by the co. It looks to me that the co is trying to stretch this out until the profits start to drop in order to say they cannot offer any more and get the concessions. The moral continues to go down the tubes as this new regime plays out their network, so sad, so sad indeed...Birdman said:
You're not going to get an agreement until either the TWU/IAM Association or the IBT or both lock in at AA and or UAL. And I do believe it will go in this order. AA will be first now that UAL members voted no, then UAL will get a deal worthy of passage and then you will have your agreement. And they will all come this year. Or at worst yours will come in very early in 2017.swamt said:
I beg to differ. I think AA will in fact vote down the first offer from the co. even IF the asso. agrees to a TA. Just my prediction. I really think UAL will be before AA with a contract. Us? Not really sure where we will fall in at. Since the co. has stated from a long time ago that they were waiting for the rest of the airlines to "catch up" for cost competitive reasons, I believe we are getting close. However, with the co. holding so strong on their demands, we may be going to binding arbitration. After all, SWA has the highest outsourcing % rate than any other major airline other than UPS and maybe FedEx. We must hold on to the small % of in house maint. we have. Otherwise, there will be no maint. at SWA to come into and perform by future AMT's, let alone who is here now and just starting their careers as AMT's. It is sad to state but, I could not recommend my own son to go into the A&P program or school to start a career as an AMT in the aviation industry. I would recommend him to search out some other line of career avenue.WeAAsles said:
Of course I'll take the bet since I already put in writing my opinion. AA Mexhanics will have a TA by July IMO and it will pass. Not by much though says my crystal ball. It will wind up being one of those passed by 57% deals. (US mechanics passed their last TA) IBT needs to back off on their Teamcare and VEBA and you and I know they don't want to drop that willingly, but they will eventually. And then SWA management will know where they stand against their competitors and pencil in your deal.swamt said:
The compensation articles are always done dead last because each item in a contract that is TA'd has a cost associated with it. Those costs normally add up to a charge that can either give or take away from the last item, your wages. But currently your wages are already known. Since UAL passed on their deal you're still 3% above the top DL rates.1AA said:
Well at least this time even though this is not a AA Fleet thread the last big one I know about was "Temporary Employees" If the company doesn't want to back away at all from their position would you rather they just continue to argue about it or set it aside and come back to it at a later date when maybe some movement can happen?AANOTOK said:
First, this will be my last comment here because we are talking AA and this is the SW discussion zone. I have no problem with the tabling of anything they feel they need to W, so no I don't expect them to "capitulate and relent. I say Kudos to the negotiators...but as usual, you miss the point. If you and 700 are going to so proudly speak on how far along the negotiations are moving and stating what they have T/A'd, let's tell the full story and mention there are MAJOR issues, and some I predict will make you miss your "July" prediction date. Your response if any can be posted over at the AA fleet thread...WeAAsles said:
I personally have no clue if there are any MAJOR issues yet? Maybe there will be?AANOTOK said:
The situation at SWA and UAL is that they are past amendable dates and have rights for mediation and or arbitration. AA does not so foot dragging can happen from the company side and nothing can be done about it. Sadly we should have been further along in negotiations. I doubt I drove Bob Owens away or anyone else.WeAAsles said:
