Wisconsin

[dapoes]

More unhinged union goons...

Unions trying to hold back the angry mob they've unleashed. Unhinged crowd corners Wisc GOP senator shouting “F**k you!

Wisconsin Republican Glenn Grothman was mobbed by a group of union thugs.

The Republican Senator was mobbed by union thugs as he approached the capitol today. He was held for several minutes and was forced to call for assistance. The whole incident was captured on camera.

Video: http://dane101.com/current/2011/03/01/wisconsin_gop_senator_glenn_grothman_chased_trapped_by_hecklers_saved_by_dem_rep_

 

[Ms Tree]

Religious/private schools.

Toss in your average Joe's job too.....

The last time I looked into this the certifications and continuing education requirements are not the same for private institutions as they are for public. The standards are higher for public (on average) than they are for the private institutions. I a not sue if this is still the case though. I have not seen anything that says other wise.

 

[SparrowHawk]

The last time I looked into this the certifications and continuing education requirements are not the same for private institutions as they are for public. The standards are higher for public (on average) than they are for the private institutions. I a not sue if this is still the case though. I have not seen anything that says other wise.

You're correct regarding the creeping crud of credentialism. The standards for public "educators" are higher in that they need the credits and such to get paid more not deliver superior performance in thier jobs.

There is not a credential in the world that can teach little Billy to read. There are however dedicated educators earning half or less in faith based institutions and other non public schools that deliver a fantastic education for far less money.

It's just like the NRA says in a way. Credentials don't educate, Dedicated Teachers do.

Just to show you how crazy the Creeping Crud of Credentials is on the verge of destroying our country can anyone tell me what a CPFM certification qualifies one to do?

Click here to find out what a CPFm is

You can't make this up folks, I didn't believe it either

 

[delldude]

The last time I looked into this the certifications and continuing education requirements are not the same for private institutions as they are for public. The standards are higher for public (on average) than they are for the private institutions. I a not sue if this is still the case though. I have not seen anything that says other wise.

All the cert's don't mean squat. Private schools have a long standing tradition of higher quality of education over public schools.

 

[Dog Wonder]

Private schools choose their students.

 

[dapoes]

Union Protesters Have No Idea Why They’re Protesting...Can't Answer Basic Questions



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[dapoes]

Dialysis Can Wait…
Union Workers Leave Sick &
Elderly Patients Stranded
So They Can Attend Rally


Kyrillos Calls for Firing of CWA Workers in ‘Sick-Out’ That Left 174 Disabled Residents Stranded​

 

[dapoes]

If you thought WI Democrats fleeing a state to avoid votes couldn't get more pathetic, they're living off their parents, now: http://bit.ly/fSSJ6G

 

[Ms Tree]

You're correct regarding the creeping crud of credentialism. The standards for public "educators" are higher in that they need the credits and such to get paid more not deliver superior performance in thier jobs.

There is not a credential in the world that can teach little Billy to read. There are however dedicated educators earning half or less in faith based institutions and other non public schools that deliver a fantastic education for far less money.

It's just like the NRA says in a way. Credentials don't educate, Dedicated Teachers do.

Just to show you how crazy the Creeping Crud of Credentials is on the verge of destroying our country can anyone tell me what a CPFM certification qualifies one to do?

Click here to find out what a CPFm is

You can't make this up folks, I didn't believe it either

That may or may not be the reality of it. While I have not been in school for quite some time now I did attend two private schools. One in Florida and one in California. The one is Florida seemed to be pretty good but some of my teachers were not very good. The one I attended in California was horrible. Yet some of the best teachers I had were from the public sector.

As I said earlier, both sides are trying to screw the other and until that stops and both sides sit down and actually try and fix the system and acknowledge their own problems (tenure, not enough schools, too many students per teacher, not enough funding .. etc) then nothing will get fixed. Neither side is innocent yet both only want to blame the other with out so much as a glance in the mirror.

 

[leprechaun]

If you thought WI Democrats fleeing a state to avoid votes couldn't get more pathetic, they're living off their parents, now: http://bit.ly/fSSJ6G

Actually, I find you more pathetic.

 

[dapoes]

Actually, I find you more pathetic.

The feeling is mutual.

 

[whatkindoffreshhell]

Private schools choose their students.

Private schools must justify and sell their product to a public that has the right to choose. Buyers of a private school education are spending sums of money that many families simply cannot comprehend. Many private school families choose to spend on education instead of vacations, cars or more bling.

Public schools, while they must accept all students and do employ good teachers (for the most part) are self-preserving bureaucracies.

A start to solving public school funding would be to make all extra-curricular activities 100% pay-to-participate.

Twenty-two states have already ruled that tax dollars need only support academics.

 

[Ms Tree]

Private schools must justify and sell their product to a public that has the right to choose. Buyers of a private school education are spending sums of money that many families simply cannot comprehend. Many private school families choose to spend on education instead of vacations, cars or more bling.

Public schools, while they must accept all students and do employ good teachers (for the most part) are self-preserving bureaucracies.

A start to solving public school funding would be to make all extra-curricular activities 100% pay-to-participate.

Twenty-two states have already ruled that tax dollars need only support academics.

While I understand (I think) what your motivation is for an academic only funds idea, I do not think that is a fair or productive idea in the long run. That makes extra curricular activities the domain for the rich(er). Those who are getting by will not be able to send there kids to activities. Some of those kids will be gifted and we as a society will be deprived of what they have to offer.

I think there is plenty of money to go around if we can just work past the waste. Teachers need to give up tenure and need to agree to some sort of testing and evaluation process to weed out those who can from those who cannot. Those who can should be paid well. Public schools should not be sacrificed. They have educated some of the best and brightest. No system is perfect but that does not mean you just throw it out. I think it can be fixed but people have to ant to fix it.

 

[SparrowHawk]

This Just In from the "If I were Governor Department."

Here is my settlement proposal for the WI teavhers.

1. No change in collective bargaining rights
2. No health care contribution- business as usual
3. No change in step pay
4. No change in pension benefits or retirement age
5. No change to tenure

In essence the status quo rules with the following exception.

In exchange for the above the State of WI establishes a cost per pupil that includes EVERY school in the state and an average cost per pupil is established.

In turn each parent gets a voucher at the rate of one per child and is free to use that voucher at any school within the confines in the state of WI. Each public district is to submit a tuition cost that accurately reflects their actual costs. Public schools that cost above the state average the parents will have to kick in the difference just as they would for a prep school. This is called free enterprise.

Now then, given the above quid pro quo do you think the teachers would take Walkers deal or the one I propose? The answer would tell us a great deal wouldn't it.

 

[Kev3188]

A start to solving public school funding would be to make all extra-curricular activities 100% pay-to-participate.

Twenty-two states have already ruled that tax dollars need only support academics.

Bad idea, IMO... Extra curricular activities can have benefits that far exceed something as simple as a kid being able to play football.

As for "academics," where do you (general sense) draw the line? Does music count? Art? Classes that aren't normally considered part of the 3 R's?