Will They Answer?

[PhxRanchHand]

As I see it, the IAM did'nt have much of a choice in BK, either, you vote to accept the last offer, don't accept and the BK court imposes it anyway, or you walk out. and you voted to accept.
We want to know how the IAM is going to make us come under their current BK agreement and lose vacation, holidays etc....... I think we will have to vote to accept it.

After all it was the IBT, along with a few other unions that broke from the AFL-CIO to try to get union membership backand get unions their power back.

I also believe that the IBT's view is that if a vote is done and the IBT is chosen as the rep, that they could negotiate a new contract for the U guys because they are not a signatory on the contract.

 

[700UW]

Nobody is ducking you it is called vacation during NASCAR week as I am at the track all week. Be back after sunday.

You just posted so that is not an excuse.

Still waiting.

And when the ibt was voted out at WN and AMFA took over, there was not contract renegotiated as you just take over the exsisting CBA just like when the IAM was voted out at UAL, and AMFA took over, no new contract was negotiated just because of a change of representation.

 

[320tech]

You just posted so that is not an excuse.

Still waiting.

And when the ibt was voted out at WN and AMFA took over, there was not contract renegotiated as you just take over the exsisting CBA just like when the IAM was voted out at UAL, and AMFA took over, no new contract was negotiated just because of a change of representation.

your quoting 2 groups that just changed unions. not involved in a merger.

 

[700UW]

Lets see when US Airways and PSA merged, PSA was ibt and US was IAM.

The NMB declared single carrier status and the PSA Mechanic and Related then fell under the IAM CBA and representation.

 

[delldude]

seems to me IBT got caught with their pants down relating to posting IAM contract verbage......after being told many times over, they still went with it ...
after many many responses to IBT membership postings,many many questions were left either unanswered or ignored after IBT claims regarding contractual renegotiations and/or modifications.
it is and will be apparent to all comers that IBT has been less than truthful and has dodged the subject line.
700uw has done an excellent job of posting IAM related factual information whereas IBT references on the teamsters 104 website are anything but actual factual. misleading to those with a second grade education.....

 

[delldude]

IBT why the disinformation campain??
why no valid responses?

and why the continual misinformation without any support or denials?
IAM AWAITS YOUR OFFICIAL RESPONSE/DENIAL
NOW THIS :


November 8, 2005
File: USA-18
2005-152

US Airways / America West Merger Update
IBT Multi-employer Pension Plans
TO: All US Airways Mechanic and Related Employees

The IBT continues to misrepresent the value and status of their four (4) multi-employer pension plans. Clearly the pension plans are underfunded and the promised retirement benefits are in jeopardy. Independent actuaries having studied these pension plans submitting the following report.
























solidarity,









You can’t trust or believe the International Brotherhood of Teamsters

In solidarity,


William O’Driscoll
President and Directing General Chairman

 

[Mr Eagle]

Lets see when US Airways and PSA merged, PSA was ibt and US was IAM.

The NMB declared single carrier status and the PSA Mechanic and Related then fell under the IAM CBA and representation.

You Are Talking Year's Ago And With The STATE of The AIRLINE Industry And the State Of Economy Things Are Changeing Mr 700,We Will See The Future Is Not TO FEAR,FEARIT Self Is TO Be Aware of. ME MR.

 

[Mr Eagle]

How many times have you been through contract negotiations,how many times have you taken a strike vote,how many times have you walked a picket line in the snow and how many times have seen the company you work for go into BK.
Also how many AIRLINES have you done this at.
Ive been at it since 1983 2 airlines.

If you think for a minute those 1.7 million are in any way going to help you out in our current situation your wrong.If you think trucks will stop rolling and machines stop turning when you go on strike your wrong.

You will get an atta boy as the big guys thump there chest over bravery though..

I SEE Your BRANIFF AVATAR are You EX-Braniff? I Was TOO It Was A Good Expierience. MWW.

 

[smmech]

Lets see when US Airways and PSA merged, PSA was ibt and US was IAM.

The NMB declared single carrier status and the PSA Mechanic and Related then fell under the IAM CBA and representation.

Is'nt this a differnent being that USAIRWAYS was in bankruptcy?
And when USAIRWAYS merged with Piedmont and the IBT prevailed which contract was intact?

My question is has the NMB EVER IMPOSED A BANKRUPTCY CONTRACT AFTER A MERGER ON A NONBANKRUPT CBU.? Is there a presidence?
Not TWA/AA, or any of USAIRWAYS mergers.. Not SWA and Morris, Continential and Peoples Express??? Just a question for a situation we are all in that may have never happened before.
I know that our current managment is betting on what all the IAM supporters are saying, fixed low labor costs, less benifits, outsourcing where they want it. Man they will have it all... You might keep your job? Im just woundering why anyone who has been through all that the IAM supporters have gone though, why would they buy into this crap..... To keep a f'n crap job?? Bow down to the company like you have through the 2 bankruptcy, the pay cuts, retirement gone, the mass layoffs...

 

[smmech]

How many times have you been through contract negotiations,how many times have you taken a strike vote,how many times have you walked a picket line in the snow and how many times have seen the company you work for go into BK.
Also how many AIRLINES have you done this at.
Ive been at it since 1983 2 airlines.

If you think for a minute those 1.7 million are in any way going to help you out in our current situation your wrong.If you think trucks will stop rolling and machines stop turning when you go on strike your wrong.

You will get an atta boy as the big guys thump there chest over bravery though..

1. 4 times
2. 2 times
3. Never, never, never..
4. 2

I summery I am sorry for your bad career decisions, but the companies I have choose to worked for were in better shape then others. The unions I have been a member of where strong enough that the strike votes I was involved in never went that far.. The first one the IBT pushed an emergency mediation and Pres. Regan stepped in to squash UPS into IBT submission.. It was 20+ years ago but it was cool..

As far as Union support check out IBT's support of there members at Roadway.

 

[smmech]

Section 6 is traditional negotiations, either party files a Section 6 notice within 60 days of the AMENDABLE DATE of the contract, not anytime the union or the company wants too.

And the question still stands.

When are any of the scared ibt supporters going to post the facts from the RLA that states upon change of representation the union and the company must open section 6 negotiations.

A whole day has passed and the ibters are ducking the question that has been asked of them.

If you make promises you better be able to back them up and to me the ibters have failed.

Is that who you want to represent you?

And to Phantom Fixer, KUDOS, brilliant post.

Where does it state that section 6 is traditional negotiations? ? If so then by what means ( RLA NMB ) will the IAM negotiate provitional language between the current CBA's .

 

[700UW]

I guess the ibt has not educated you at all on the RLA and negotiations.

When do collective bargaining agreements expire under the RLA?
Under the RLA, agreements do not have expiration dates; instead they have amendable dates which are indicated within the agreement. Until a mutually negotiated change is accepted by both parties to the agreement, the provisions of the original agreement remain in full force. This is commonly referred to as "status quo." Both the union and the company have a legal obligation to maintain the status quo until the process of the RLA has been fully exhausted.

How do parties initiate negotiations under the RLA?
The parties exchange notices of intent to change or amend the existing contract. These notices are referred to as "Section 6" notices. Notice is given 60 days prior to amendable date.

 

[gonzo]

Section 6 is traditional negotiations, either party files a Section 6 notice within 60 days of the AMENDABLE DATE of the contract, not anytime the union or the company wants too.

And the question still stands.

When are any of the scared ibt supporters going to post the facts from the RLA that states upon change of representation the union and the company must open section 6 negotiations.

A whole day has passed and the ibters are ducking the question that has been asked of them.

If you make promises you better be able to back them up and to me the ibters have failed.

Is that who you want to represent you?

And to Phantom Fixer, KUDOS, brilliant post.

Morning Mr. 70..........I see you have been worring about this a great deal since my last post. You know the answer to the question as well as I do, but you seem to have a need to "rattle" your chain. I don't recall making an incorrect statement...........if I have please enlighten me.

 

[gonzo]

Have a good vacation Awa Contract.

 

[allstrike]

I summery I am sorry for your bad career decisions, but the companies I have choose to worked for were in better shape then others.

Oh man dont be sorry,I didnt make any bad decisions.I love all the great people Ive met over the years and I have been twisting wrenches on AC since 1978.I love the work,the only thing Ive been guilty of is having a dream that it would all get better and being maybe to loyal,like they say.

working for an airline is like being in love with a bad women no matter what she does you always go back to her.

My hopes are when we get through all this and east meets west that this new airline will kick some ass.