Will Oneworld lose JAL?
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Hopeful
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Oh really? What about AMR upper crust types?
Do you know the JAL CEO takes the train to work? Do you know in Japan, what happens to executives who get get caught in criminal and neglectful and shamefuel situation? Some of them even commit suicide? In this country they do a Carty and walk away with $20m and an annual pension to boot?
WOOOHOOO...
The men responsible for the Chinese milk disaster have been sentenced to death....WOOHOOOO
So please don't put your illustrious executives on such a high pedestal.
Tell me oh great eolesen,....What's the average American CEO/worker compensation ratio compared to the Japanese...?WOOOHOOOO
WOOOOHHOOOOOOOOOO...I bet you this country's ratio is alot higher than in Japan...
Just remember, there are more American (US) upper class executive types serving time in prison than there are union leaders...
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<_< -------Hey! You catch on quick!!!
Yea quicker than you since I was being sarcastic. The Once Great Airlines had so much international expertise, they're no longer around.....Means nothing anymore..it's all about the bottome dollar...not about exceptional service and prestige.
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<_< ----- You know hopeful, the part about the dollar being the bottom line, I agree with! And if only they would concentrate more on the "exceptional service and prestige" part, the bottom line would take care of itself!!!!------- But unfortunately, they haven't figured that out!
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Did I say anything about AA? All I did was post a couple links about JAL. Did you actually read those links? Did you read the part about the CEO making less than some of his pilots? Can you tell me of any Fortune 500 company in the USA that's having financial difficulties where the CEO is making less than some of the frontline employee's?
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The dollar is the bottom line because AMR is a for-profit company, not a non-profit (if not entirely true at the moment). But stop to consider where most profits come from: premium airfares. And what drives premium fare sales? Both hard and soft product. I'd never spend $8,000 on a business class ticket unless I were relatively certain to receive good service. And if I didn't receive good service on such a flight, I would not be flying that airline again.
As for JAL I stand by my earlier position that it would be a massive regulatory failure for JAL to be allowed into Skyteam. Very different situation than AA and BA and Heathrow.
As for JAL I stand by my earlier position that it would be a massive regulatory failure for JAL to be allowed into Skyteam. Very different situation than AA and BA and Heathrow.
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yea like Pan American WORLD Airways before Ual and Delta dismantle it, then Delta disembowel it.
yea like Trans WORLD Airlines before Aa disembowel it.
yea like Braniff International mainly in Latin America and started with Europe, before Aa played games with reservations.
yea like Eastern Airlines. after the fire sale at BI for the SA routes. then the fire sale at Eastern Airlines with the hands of freake Frank L.
Delta/NWA are the only international experience US carrier mainly due to NWA, with CAL moving on up to the playing field.
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AA hasn't had an international mindset in some ways (mainly onboard product), but make no mistake, it's ludicrous to say they have no international experience, and don't know how to provide an international onboard service experience.
They might not offer the "visual" experience some carriers do with their "fire 'em by the time they're 25 or fat" hiring standards, but the experience in F on the 777 is as good as I've seen in my travels on Asian and European carriers.
Oh, please... I just ate breakfast.
Go look at Braniff's debt to income ratios for the 1970's. All those Easter egg 727's and big orange 747-200's and 74SP's is what killed them, not a couple of allegations about AA booking up a few flights and having hundreds of no-shows...
And Eastern? I suggest you go look at any number of books on the topic to see their financials from the pre-Lorenzo era.
What the perpetually ignorant always overlook is one usually doesn't have a fire sale before your building burns down.... It's a measure of last resort to try and monetize what few assets (damaged or not) didn't get consumed.
By the time the LatAm routes were sold by both BN and EA, mortal damage had already been done to the respective companies.
They might not offer the "visual" experience some carriers do with their "fire 'em by the time they're 25 or fat" hiring standards, but the experience in F on the 777 is as good as I've seen in my travels on Asian and European carriers.
Oh, please... I just ate breakfast.
Go look at Braniff's debt to income ratios for the 1970's. All those Easter egg 727's and big orange 747-200's and 74SP's is what killed them, not a couple of allegations about AA booking up a few flights and having hundreds of no-shows...
And Eastern? I suggest you go look at any number of books on the topic to see their financials from the pre-Lorenzo era.
What the perpetually ignorant always overlook is one usually doesn't have a fire sale before your building burns down.... It's a measure of last resort to try and monetize what few assets (damaged or not) didn't get consumed.
By the time the LatAm routes were sold by both BN and EA, mortal damage had already been done to the respective companies.
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I may sound like a record skipping on the turntable but the press releases this morning keep quoting that AA is aggressively pursuing to invest in JAL. Meanwhile back at the home front negotiations with all three unionized work groups shows no signs of the company aggressively investing in their own employees. There is plenty of money to go around for investments of all kinds. The JAL deal is a must for AA to keep them in OneWorld. The articles also state that Delta has a better route structure than AA. This means that a better fit would be with Delta instead of AA. If AA should be successful how much more money would it cost AA to realign all the routes to be profitable?
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I wonder what Plan B is? UAL LLC with an immediate divestiture of LHR authorities and ORD gates to appease the Feds?
Do they even have a plan B? Other than get kicked in the 'nads by Delta at every turn?
Do they even have a plan B? Other than get kicked in the 'nads by Delta at every turn?
Plan B as in Bankruptcy and then British, that's the only way out for AMR.
UAL, CAL, and DL have all done it, and they're doing better for it.
JAL will only take the money, blow it, and cry for more later.
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That's what I've been saying for a while now. Problem is, Arpey doesn't have what it takes to purchase UA. Sat on his thumbs while DL swallowed up NW and will do the same while UA marries someone else.
Here's a OneWorld press release with more details:
http://www.oneworld.com/ow/news/details?objectID=20144
