Will Hp Take Us's Gates At Lax?

[twambassador]

Light Years, as a former TWAer I know exactly what you are saying. For years we watched other airlines talk about our demise. Finally, I think AA had to do something to get rid of us, because secretly, they knew that somehow, we'd survive. They wouldn't have gone thru all the drastic measures knowing fully well the economy was tanking and oil prices were going up before the sale went thru.

 

[aafsc]

Light Years, as a former TWAer I know exactly what you are saying. For years we watched other airlines talk about our demise. Finally, I think AA had to do something to get rid of us, because secretly, they knew that somehow, we'd survive. They wouldn't have gone thru all the drastic measures knowing fully well the economy was tanking and oil prices were going up before the sale went thru.

[post="258428"][/post]​

Are you saying that AA somehow knew of 9/11 before it happened? Are you saying they knew about all the other calamitities that hit the industry? If they knew that fuel was going to go sky high, THEN WHY DID NOT THEY HEDGE LIKE SOUTHWEST? Just another bitter TWAer with a conspiracy theory. And, no, TWA would not have made it not only because of 9/11 and high fuel prices, but also because they would have had to continue Ichan's ticket agreement for another 3 years and the debt holders would not want to see what little cash TWA had evaporate before their very eyes so they would not have refinanced. The reason AA did the transaction was to keep up with the proposed UA/USAir merger.

 

[Reservation Agent]

I don't think USAIRWAYS will go under...

They have cut pay to the bone in all labor groups...They are outsourcing reservations to Manilla, Mexico City and El Salvador....outsoucing other areas like maintainence, baggage, fleet services, Dividend Miles Service Center...

Have gotten investors like Republic Airlines, Air Wisconsin, Alabama Retirement Systems and interest also from Mesa Airlines, too....

Have gone to a "Go Fares" fare system, by relaxing rules and utilizing one way fare system in many markets, and the Load factors are hitting records, now....

Usairways may be out of bankruptcy in June or July....

 

[mga707]

I don't think USAIRWAYS will go under...
Usairways may be out of bankruptcy in June or July....

Fine. Then maybe they'll FINALLY go join their 'Star' buddies over on the south side and free up some much needed space for HP (and WN) in T-1!

 

[ISP]

Why don't WN and HP go and move? Who was at T-1 first?

 

[mga707]

Why don't WN and HP go and move? Who was at T-1 first?

[post="262055"][/post]​

When it opened in 1984 it held HP, WN, Air Cal, and PSA (which explains why US is still there).
Before the '88 PS/US merger, US(AL) was over in (IIRC) 5 or 6 (or maybe it was 3--can't really remember). Obviously PSA had a far bigger operation at LAX than did US, which is why they consolidated at T-1.

 

[etops1]

When it opened in 1984 it held HP, WN, Air Cal, and PSA (which explains why US is still there).
Before the '88 PS/US merger, US(AL) was over in (IIRC) 5 or 6 (or maybe it was 3--can't really remember). Obviously PSA had a far bigger operation at LAX than did US, which is why they consolidated at T-1.

[post="262072"][/post]​

who cares

 

[motnot]

ISP asked the question. That's who cares.

 

[coolflyingfool]

If US and AWA get in bed together, the gates will stay the same. No movement at all. I would never have thunk it.

 

[ISP]

And maybe the club will reopen!

 

[mga707]

And maybe the club will reopen!

[post="263532"][/post]​

This last comment needs to be removed from the boards immediately. ISP, you are a self-righteous bastard!


(for those who don't get it, check the US board...)

 

[twambassador]

Are you saying that AA somehow knew of 9/11 before it happened? Are you saying they knew about all the other calamitities that hit the industry? If they knew that fuel was going to go sky high, THEN WHY DID NOT THEY HEDGE LIKE SOUTHWEST? Just another bitter TWAer with a conspiracy theory. And, no, TWA would not have made it not only because of 9/11 and high fuel prices, but also because they would have had to continue Ichan's ticket agreement for another 3 years and the debt holders would not want to see what little cash TWA had evaporate before their very eyes so they would not have refinanced. The reason AA did the transaction was to keep up with the proposed UA/USAir merger.

[post="258530"][/post]​

No, that's not what I'm saying. The economy was heading south prior to september 11. Fuel prices started going up in the spring of 2000. It was in AA's best interest to get rid of TWA before the economy got worse, because TWA was bringing the yields down (that's prior to LCCs making headways). Was it a response to UAL/US? sure, but I don't think for a minute that AA had any plans to keep STL or T5. This was a way for AA to gain a bigger market share, while eliminating a competitor that was draging revenues. When September 11 and the economy tanked, it was the perfect opportunity for AA to divest of TW without the public relations nightmare. I think that TWA had a resilency that frustrated a lot of other airlines, especially one with hubs in the midwest. I'm not so sure, that even with all that happened that we would have just turned over and died. We always had a few tricks out of our sleeves.

 

[tug_slug]

Well, how long ago was it that US Airways was supposed to move over to T7/8 with UAL and out of T1 anyways? It seems I recall reading posts on these forums suggesting that this was supposed to happen long before now...

[post="238144"][/post]​

I have a few friends that have just recently been furloughed from US Air at LAX and they were told that U is supposed to move from T1 to T7/8 in the latter part of the year. How true that is yet to be seen.

 

[aafsc]

No, that's not what I'm saying. The economy was heading south prior to september 11. Fuel prices started going up in the spring of 2000. It was in AA's best interest to get rid of TWA before the economy got worse, because TWA was bringing the yields down (that's prior to LCCs making headways). Was it a response to UAL/US? sure, but I don't think for a minute that AA had any plans to keep STL or T5. This was a way for AA to gain a bigger market share, while eliminating a competitor that was draging revenues. When September 11 and the economy tanked, it was the perfect opportunity for AA to divest of TW without the public relations nightmare. I think that TWA had a resilency that frustrated a lot of other airlines, especially one with hubs in the midwest. I'm not so sure, that even with all that happened that we would have just turned over and died. We always had a few tricks out of our sleeves.

[post="264128"][/post]​

Even though T-5 in JFK is a historical landmark, there are 3 good reasons why AA got rid of it.

1. AA is building it's own new $1 billion terminal in JFK.
2. TWA was on a month to month lease with it (along with almost all of their facilities).
3. Even though it was/is a historic piece of art. It is over 40 years old.

As far as STL, if Carty was still here STL would not have been downsized because if he downsized it he would be admitting that TWA was a mistake and his ego would not permit that. Stl was downsized because under the current conditions you will not make money flying 6 super 80s a day between STL-DSM, STL-ICT, etc. Yes, when they downsized STL revenue dropped but the expenses dropped much greater since you were laying off people who were all very senior and topped out. And that is why STL is what it is today, a small hub.