Kev3188
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What's to say it will?
Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines
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What's to say it will?
Kev3188
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I agree- maybe not even that long, but at the end of the day 700's right. UA people had an actual say in the direction of their careers.
Were they messaged into voting out of fear? Worn down by having waited so long? Likely yes, but that's a tangent for another day...
Were they messaged into voting out of fear? Worn down by having waited so long? Likely yes, but that's a tangent for another day...
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They were more than pressured by the IAM. The IAM actually sent out anti union letters telling the members that it has no power and is powerless to strike as congress will most likely be expected to impose something much less.Kev3188 said:
"Thus, rejection of this TA is not likely to generate greater pressure on the Company to further improve its terms, since there is realistically no prospect of a strike."
I can imagine Delta airline management taking this anti union letter which is amazingly enough, "Officially from the IAM's Attorney". I attached a copy of it. Essentially, why be in a union if what he says is true?
Of course but if it were DL you would be all over it and how they intimidate people, use fear tactics, etc.Kev3188 said:
You conveniently skipped over the rest of my post above, the IAM screwed this up big time. sUA should have had an agreement before the joint agreement. The district gave away tremendous leverage by doing this, they were happy to collaborate with UA in the hopes of getting dues payers sooner by pursuing a joint agreement first. So the IAM won in early March 2012 and they just now got an awful contract full of concessions that lacks scope. That's not nearly as long as IAM at US or negotiations at AA dragged on, 700 et al keep insisting the RLA allows company to prolong the process, 18 months for a joint CBA actually isn't all that bad. Again all the pay rates and enhanced vacation & holidays may look nice on a summary sheet but w/o scope it is insignificant.
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Kev3188
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I didn't skip over anything. Have you read what I've written over the last 60+ pages?
Yes Kev you know full well I have been an active participant in this discussion. Face it the IAM wanted the dues and used coercion and fear tactics to collaborate with UA to get the job done. Tim did the honorable thing educating people about the dangers of this. And now it has lowered the bar for everyone at other carriers, AA will probably look to whittle down 17 protected stations, DL may do the same too. Just wondering as a DL employee do you worry about the security of your station and it being vendored out?
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Kev3188
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Josh--
Why are you asking questions you know the answers to?
I'm an at will employee with no scope or job protection language. How do you think I feel?
Why are you asking questions you know the answers to?
I'm an at will employee with no scope or job protection language. How do you think I feel?
WorldTraveler
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labor is its own worst enemy.....
UA will decimate the ranks of its IAM-represented employee groups over the next few years.
UA will decimate the ranks of its IAM-represented employee groups over the next few years.
Yep. Really speaks to the value of IAM representation. So funny people like 700 cover this up and spin it as a democratic process, no different than all the haters that defend the atrocious action of Hamas saying they were democratically elected.WorldTraveler said:
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Kev3188
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Crap leadership in one DL =/= organized labor being a flawed concept.
Equating labor with terrorists? Really?
Equating labor with terrorists? Really?
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