cltrat
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he's the IAM communication guy. It;s not an elected position ,you get that job by well ,,,,, I think you know how it goes.
Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines
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he's the IAM communication guy. It;s not an elected position ,you get that job by well ,,,,, I think you know how it goes.
for those that want to catch up
cltrat
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no I don't always agree with Nelson nor do I endorse him, but he does somethig you clowns could learn from , When he says something good ,bad or whatever his name is on it and he owns it.
Unlike all you clowns with your multiple id's ,.you're disgusting
I'm making a list of clowns I wont be voting for next time.
pjirish317
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jet job and socplat13, Can you please tell me the difference between scope protections and seniority protections? I don't think either of you can distinguish between the two. Neither of you have answered my question, so I think you just don't want to tell the truth. What ever the outcome, best of luck, because if this POS T/A gets voted in somehow, you are going to need it.
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We understand that 96% have seniority protection. But of those 96%, they already have seniority protection in the reduction in force article where they can exercise their seniority to displace somewhere else. Do you know who really needs seniority protection? Yep, the junior agents who are not included in your seniority protection.
At any rate, the ability to exercise ones seniority if his station gets contracted out has nothing to do with job protections, i.e., scope. If you don't own the work, then you don't have squat.
Sure, Delta doesn't have any scope but neither does 83 of 90 stations with you pal. So what's the fuss?
Delta has 18 cargo centers and 43 ramps where they have permanent full time and permanent part time. Sure they have no work rules, but neither do you now. After a few years, the level of part time will go through the roof with this TA2. Again, no difference between delta other than you took their policy guide and stamped the IAM logo on it. Show me any union contract that only protects 7 stations?
And your wage and benefits is also myth. Sure, Delta can change theirs at any time, BUT SO CAN UNITED MANAGEMENT under section 2-2 of A2. All they have to do is scream swissport or airserve and it's done. Have you even read TA2?
And what is all this foolishness about your health care being the best in the industry? It's not. My suck contract has better health care. Your core 80% plan is $98 individual/ $293 for family. Our 80% plan is $26bucks for individual and $88 for family. Sure, part timers pay double but that will only bring them up to $176, about $120 cheaper than yours. Our 80% plan is with a $450 deductible, and the one I quoted from yours is $300 deductible but if I compare your $500 deductible, which is more than ours, we still pay about half of what you pay as a full timer. Part timers is about a wash with yours.
Get your facts straight! What is really sickening is that your members aren't voting on what I pay, although I pay cheaper, they are comparing on what they are paying NOW, and what they will be paying later. The average will go from almost nothing to an average of $293 for family. And for some reason, your HMO's have went through the roof so not sure if I or any of your members could afford the new HMO's now.
Because the sCO members pay a ton more now, sCO members will see a decrease with the special enrollment, and the sUA members will see escalations.
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your overall point is correct but to be clear, DL ramp workers have never been unionized while working for Delta Air Lines. They may, however, have been unionized when working for other airlines.
and yet DL rampers and other ground employees still enjoy better pay and benefits as well as more locations that their legacy carrier peers.
What is on paper - or not - means nothing compared to what actually happens in reality. The fact that DL delivers what is NOT promised while unions can't deliver on what they GET PROMISES from airlines to deliver is why DL employees have consistently said they aren't interested in further unionization.
As for health care, you can hold it out as something one airline has over another but medical costs are the same for any airline - given the size of their employee groups. Thus, if one airline's employees are paying premiums that are lower than actual costs, then those "lower cost benefits" are being paid for someplace else. Health care costs are still far from under control and they are real direct costs to an airline and are completely different from vacation time and even direct pay about which an airline can adjust other costs.
You can compare health care benefit costs if you want but everyone is going to pay the same cost in the long run in one way or another.
I do find it fascinating that some UA employees are so determined to shut you down. If what you really have to say is not correct, then it really shouldn't matter and it should be obvious. The fact that they are worried should raise flags even to someone like me that has no horse in that particular race.
cltrat
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tell you what smart guy, if he's lying and spinning then show some balls for a change and point by point PROVE him wrong. if you can't then stfu
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I agree with that ^^
cltrat
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Okay thank you, I'll just go with you can't then.
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