Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[delldude]

A personal attack calling someone dangerous, and a nitwit, on a public forum will do little to help your cause. I don't have any idea who you are, but I suspect you have lost more respect than gained by posting this.

But you're ok with doing it on the Water Cooler thread, right?

 

[jet job]

Kev,
DL141 did not ignore the membership's direction that scope protections are a priority. As it stands now, under current agreements, less than 20 percent of the IAM-represented membership at UAL possess scope protections. The rejected proposed contract extended scope protection to more than 20,000 out of the approximately 28,000 IAM-represented membership at United.

When you factor in the seniority based protections--no furlough for any reason if on the seniority list as of 7/1/1999 and no furlough due to outsourcing if on the seniority list as of 4/1/2006--then more that 90 percent of the membership attained protections they never had before.

The goal of collective bargaining is to improve current conditions for the group as a whole. Regarding job security, it is no debatable that the rejected proposed contract did that. However, the membership spoke and DL141 is back at the table to try and make changes to reflect the will of the membership.

The "red herring" that Brother Nelson uses is that we can achieve an infinite amount of gains. There will always be things that could be better. However, we should not make the perfect the enemy of the excellent.

I claim Brother Nelson is dangerous because there are many jobs at risk here and the "drumbeat of no" will only serve to have more people lose their jobs because they are not protected.

The point is, IAM DL141 made vast improvements for all regarding the issue of scope. Nelson says otherwise and he is completely wrong.

Here it is again

 

[jet job]

Cannot wait to see the video so I can play it in the ready room for everyone to see. Make sure you post a link here. I want everyone to see the guy who telling us to give up our retro.
For his greater goal. Lol. Bring it Nelson .

 

[Tim Nelson]

Here it is again

How did you improve upon a 2009 ramp contract at united?
Work rules: see delta
Scope: only 7 stations. Worse than delta
Health care: $0 or a small fee currently to $500 in march. Worse than delta.

My contract blows but it will b far superior than ta2.

 

[Socplat13]

Nelson is a desperate man. He now claims that the reason not to vote for thousands of $, the best job security, best pension and lowest health insurance costs is because the Company can use temporary employees. Bahahahahahah! Really? What is in the current contracts? Can sUA and sCO utilize temps now? The answer my poor misguided friend is yes. Vote it down, the Little Man trumpets, over something that's currently in your contract! What ignorance, or utter deceit.

 

[Socplat13]

Regarding health issuance, wrong again. UA will maintain the lowest aggregate cost sharing. Fact. PTs and FTs will pay the same as they should. Doesn't exist anywhere else. sCO folks will now have UA pay 80% of the cost instead of paying 100% of their dental costs. You have no clue.

 

[Socplat13]

Oh did you know that 40% of the entire Delta ramp is Ready Reserve and receives NO BENEFITS at all and accrues NO SENIORITY while Ready Reserve.

You must also realize, I hope, that Delta employees have ZERO job protection from outsourcing.

The new contract protects 96% of the entire IAM membership at United from involuntary furlough due to outsourcing. Over 26,000 out of 28,000. Thousands who don't have any security will now have it.

Get the facts Nelson.

 

[Socplat13]

Here is the current sUA CBA language regarding temps. At sUA they use temp during the summer and during the holidays. But, they can use them anywhere, anytime. Nelson wants people to believe it's a new thing. It's not.



Temporary part-time employees (part-time employees hired for a period of sixty
(60) days or less or the summer peak period of June 1 through Labor Day) shall not
count towards the agreed maximums. At the time and point of hiring such temporary
part-time employees, the local manager will inform the Chairman of the Local
Committee of the number and expected duration of the job or jobs and reason
therefore.

 

[Kev3188]

Here it is again

Yeah, we've all seen that "opening statement." What we haven't seen is anything of substance in the ensuing 40+ pages...

Fact. PTs and FTs will pay the same as they should. Doesn't exist anywhere else.

Fact: You're dead wrong.

Oh did you know that 40% of the entire Delta ramp is Ready Reserve and receives NO BENEFITS at all and accrues NO SENIORITY while Ready Reserve.

You must also realize, I hope, that Delta employees have ZERO job protection from outsourcing.

Get the facts Nelson.

Not yet 40%, but it's getting there... With no CBA in place, anything's possible.

Speaking of which:

You must also realize, I hope, that there are people working to (re)secure representation for the ramp at DL. When NC's like yours put out T/A's like this, you undercut that momentum. Your incompetence at the table combined with the outdated "we got this" mindset only serves to destroy the value proposition of being unionized.

So yeah, thanks for that.

 

[Socplat13]

Kev,
At which major do PTs and FTs pay the same for health insurance?

 

[Socplat13]

I think the Fleet workers at Delta would vote yes for the proposed deal at UA. It would be a huge improvement. Not perfect, but a helluva lot better than what is going on now at Delta.

 

[Kev3188]

Kev,
At which major do PTs and FTs pay the same for health insurance?

DL, for one...

I think the Fleet workers at Delta would vote yes for the proposed deal at UA.

I don't.

A T/A vote is a moot point, though. First there needs to be a union. That climb is already steep enough. Continuing to put out regressive T/A's and selling them as manna from heaven only makes it worse...

 

[Socplat13]

Kev, c'mon, at Delta, both you and I know, they don't hire regular PT employees anymore. It's all Ready Reserve. Hell almost 40% of the Fleet is RR has no health insurance at all. You can't possibly think that equal to the proposed deal at UA?

Anyway, I really hope you guys are successful and I will surely do my part to advocate for a union at DL. I am not on the NC. Just a member in good standing. This deal is the toughest because all the groups are coming from different places and different cultures. Once everyone is under one deal, in 2.5 years we start negotiating again.

This TA is not regressive. I disagree. You are not giving consideration to that fact that the combined group has very little security. Now they have a lot.

When you guys unionize at DL, I hope you get involved and get on the negotiations committee and we'll see what come out.

 

[737823]

When you put out garbage agreements such as this one or worse yet attack those with opposing viewpoints you're doing a tremendous disservice to the labor movement and efforts to organize the unorganized, DL included. But of course you don't see it this way, defend the POS T/A to no end and feel perfectly justified to attack Tim.

Josh

 

[jet job]

In his opinion which is charred by his ambitions . Nelson rebel without a cause. He will stop at nothing including harming 30000 people and their families with his twisted opinions