Why Tim Nelson is Dangerous to IAM-represented employees at United Airlines

[john john]

Do you have a pension? What's the top out wage? Is it $24 an hour? Please brother, get a grip.

Lets see the UA agreement

 

[cltrat]

I really think the jet fumes have destroyed your ability to think. There are 25,000+, 96%, of the IAM workforce at UA that cannot be involuntarily furloughed due to outsourcing under the new contract. They cannot fit into 7 stations. However, right now about 75% of the entire IAM workforce CAN be outsourced, including 100% of the sCO work.

No agreement, none, prohibits an airline from displacing an employee out of his/her location. Keep on saying the sky is falling because the more you do, the more members are telling your disciples to take a walk.

Best job security, best wages, best pension and because it's not the work of the Lil man it's no good. Sad.

Lets see the UA agreement

exactly either post the agreement or STHU the people will decide for themselves

 

[mike33]

i have a question. Why does the early out require decision by OCT 4.... How can you compare the TA to make that decision by then?

 

[JFK Fleet Service]

Didn't they try the "Don't worry about the full specifics,just hurry up and vote yes!" routine on the last TA as well?

 

[cltrat]

Didn't they try the "Don't worry about the full specifics,just hurry up and vote yes!" routine on the last TA as well?

pretty much and threw in full page ads

 

[pjirish317]

Once again twoname.............. It is the best in the industry total compensation and scope. Nelson and his compadres have their spin, so be it. The fact remains it is the best total package.... bar none.

jetjob?

Since you say it's the best in the industry, how does the medical coverage look? What does the employee have to pay for coverage? And since WN has been compared to, I think WN Fleet Service tops out north of $26 an hour, am I correct there? So to say the best wages in the industry is somewhat of a falsehood in itself. So I guess here is what I would like either you or socplat13 to answer:
1. What are the rates for family medical coverage, ALL TIERS?
2. I have lived through the "No invol furlough if you are on the seniority roster" game, What happens to employees from a station that the company decides to outsource when the CBA becomes amendable, if they choose not to move? Are they furloughed?
3. Define "Best in the Industry". Cause there is better out there thats for sure.

 

[T5towbar]

I will reserve my judgment till I see the TA. People will probably vote this in because they want their money. This contract is basically for sUA due to the fact that they made the mistake of going into joint talks instead of getting a deal first for sUA. That's the way most of us sCO people feel. But I digress. They touted the last TA as "monumenta" and that got shot down. If this TA is anyway like the last, I don't know. People will want to cash out, but many of us will still be around to live under it. And of course the smaller stations (about 45 of them).will be on the way to contracting soon after DOS. That's the rumor floating around. I hope that it does not happen and people can either leave with dignity or stay close to home and finish out their career. And let the "B" scalers at least have a job and make it to "A" scale.

 

[john john]

And let the "B" scalers at least have a job and make it to "A" scale.

UA has “B” scale

 

[T5towbar]

Everyone isn't topped out yet. That's what I mean by "B" scale. We have many people at 6 thru 8 that I know of who are not top of scale yet.

 

[Socplat13]

You could not be more WORNG! I suggest you look and read the CWA passenger service agreement
There was NO agreement put out to vote to the membership with the specifics you reference. Your agreement scares the Hell out of the rest of the agents because your language is trying to creep into the rest of the industry

Read your little interim merger letter of agreement. Your weak union only achieved parity in wages with NON UNION AA agents and cross utilization, meaning vendors in outsourced AA stations can do you work and you'll have to pack up and go. The no furlough language is good though. Everyone has to have a job. Here's the link:

http://cwa-agents.org/summary-of-the-tentative-interim-letter-of-agreement-between-airline-customer-service-employee-association-ibt-cwa-and-us-airways/

UA agents will make $24 per hour base. Plus up to $.75 longevity, shift pay, $1.75 lead premium and $1.00 per hour for other premiums areas.

 

[mike33]

Read your little interim merger letter of agreement. Your weak union only achieved parity in wages with NON UNION AA agents and cross utilization, meaning vendors in outsourced AA stations can do you work and you'll have to pack up and go. The no furlough language is good though. Everyone has to have a job. Here's the link:

http://cwa-agents.or...and-us-airways/

UA agents will make $24 per hour base. Plus up to $.75 longevity, shift pay, $1.75 lead premium and $1.00 per hour for other premiums areas.

It never got to a vote. Don't know if it would have passed or not, but it shouldnt be used as evidence in an argument. From what i've heard it was going to be shot down

 

[Socplat13]

jetjob?

Since you say it's the best in the industry, how does the medical coverage look? What does the employee have to pay for coverage? And since WN has been compared to, I think WN Fleet Service tops out north of $26 an hour, am I correct there? So to say the best wages in the industry is somewhat of a falsehood in itself. So I guess here is what I would like either you or socplat13 to answer:
1. What are the rates for family medical coverage, ALL TIERS?
2. I have lived through the "No invol furlough if you are on the seniority roster" game, What happens to employees from a station that the company decides to outsource when the CBA becomes amendable, if they choose not to move? Are they furloughed?
3. Define "Best in the Industry". Cause there is better out there thats for sure.

Family medical plans will range from as little as $25 per month and up depending on the plan design.
If a UA station is outsourced, members have the right to exercise their seniority and displace as has been the practice for, like, forever at every airline.
However, 96% of the entire group cannot be involuntarily furloughed due to outsourcing. That puts a hard limit on the amount of outsourcing UA can undertake. It doesn't make sense to outsource when you can layoff anyone, does it?
No better job security. Aggregate heath cost paid by employees lowest in industry, tied with USA fleet and MX. Best pension in industry. Wage rates second behind SWA. However, every part-time employee has better, cheaper health benefits than SWA.

 

[Socplat13]

It never got to a vote. Don't know if it would have passed or not, but it shouldnt be used as evidence in an argument. From what i've heard it was going to be shot down

haha!! So the agreement that you work under that is so awesome doesn't have wage rate equal to non-union AA. Please get a grip brother.

 

[mike33]

haha!! So the agreement that you work under that is so awesome doesn't have wage rate equal to non-union AA. Please get a grip brother.

Shows you don't know where i work. I was just saying that the link, listed as evidence, doesnt apply in your argument with John John. i am a FSE. Save your Ego for someone else. Does the district know how you converse with it's dues paying members? I think the term " brother " was used in a derogatory sense which i hope is not par for the course

 

[mike33]

If a UA station is outsourced, members have the right to exercise their seniority and displace as has been the practice for, like, forever at every airline.

Be specific because no it's not like forever for every airline ! Post some language...or is all this talk just " chum " to see the reaction that you get!