Whoa! AA-KE Codeshare

[AdAstraPerAspera]

as for "deep into Asia" you would do well to look at range circles for the 763ER from Asia - and remember that DL started both SEA-PVG and PEK with 767s.

 
LOL. I'd rather lick a urinal cake than get stuck on a 767 all the way from the mainland U.S. to "deep" Asia. DL long-haul strategy FTW!

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet DL's 767s actually have more seat space than AA's 777s.

and the SEA Pacific network is largely flown by 330s - which also offers more seat space than AA's 777s.

DL said SEA-PVG which started with a 767 was profitable immediately.

notably, AA flies LAX-PVG with a 777 which has never been profitable - or at least AA doesn't get average fares on LAX-PVG that are anywhere near close to what DL gets on SEA-PVG.

go ahead and lick the urinal anyway.

DL is starting LAX-PVG in a 5 months.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Don't waste your time Robbed, WT has single handedly taken the fun out of this forum. Look at all the people that have left. One of my posts was deleted last week for a question I asked, but this nitwit is allowed to hijack every thread and spew lies and misinformation...

This entire forum is a vast wasteland from what it used to be. Many many people I know who are very knowledgeable and influential in this industry (and its ancillary components) have departed from here. The reason they all say is due to the repetitive nature and narcissistic posts of a couple trolls. One is infamous and is big joke.

The moderators here should take a hard look at this. I only take glances here now. What a shame that this has been allowed to devolve.

 

[MetalMover]

again, I pity someone that has to call someone else a liar because they can't stand the fact that I have accurately predicted what is going on in the industry.

AA, not me, said that DL/VS' growth at LHR is impacting AA.

if you choose not to believe it, it is not me a liar because you haven't been given the facts that you think you need.

You've been given umpteen other facts about umpteen other situations and you can't seem to accept them so why should I bother going to the effort to fine something else for you?

quite simply, AA is on a very uncomfortable trajectory.... RASM declines, a shrinking network, rapid growth of regional carriers while mainline shrinks, the largest aircraft order book in the industry, rising labor costs as the price for getting the merger approved, and rising fuel prices after AA went out and spent even more money based on low fuel prices which are going back up after less than six months.

if you feel great about that scenario, then spend all the time you want focused on my statement regarding whether DL is really seeing one of the fastest returns on a JV or not.

you should be spending a whole lot more time focused on what you need to do to get people at the helm of AA who know how to create a truly viable future instead of the smoke and mirrors that have marked Parker's entire airline mgmt. career.

http://www.thestreet.com/story/13040050/1/delta-air-lines-dal-stock-declining-today-on-rivals-traffic-results-oil-prices.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO

 

[WorldTraveler]

The moderators here should take a hard look at this. I only take glances here now. What a shame that this has been allowed to devolve.

the simple reason they won't deal with it is because they would have to put a lid on the union propaganda that goes on here and we all know that would never happen.

the joke is that this board is no longer an exchange of ideas but of groups of people who fear facing reality and so they do everything possible to tar and feather those who bring news.

but it creates activity on the board and that is what the owners wants, so nothing will change.

further, despite all of the hoopla on this thread, AA is no closer to a broad agreement with KE than they were when people here slobbered about it years ago.

KE is a Skyteam airline and even Skyteam officials say that DL and KE are still talking.

metalmover,
somehow DL is still the most valuable airline in the western world.

apparently real investors know what DL is worth relative to its peers.

oh, and DL stock fared pretty well today compared to AA, AS, and UA

 

[Kev3188]

People are only as relevant as you allow them to be. Goading trolls is akin to giving a dimebag to a heroin addict.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

given that Parker has yet to demonstrate ................

but Parker was ........

no profit sharing,
shaky fundamentals
only getting worse
revenue environment that is ................

you can get worked up about a statement I make.

Wall Street looks at the real numbers.

if I was half as wrong as you think I am, then you should have no problem ignoring me and walking away.

won't work.

the fundamentals of the AA/US merger were .........................

btw, you are right that UAL has now ......................

 
Look at the slithering serpent he is, deflecting / changing the topic with all his might, pretending to have a discussion about airline performance while at the same time handing out backslapping compliments.  Disgusting!  It's like he wants everybody to forget the beatdown he got being proved WRONG about ATI and AA-JAL.  Pathetic!!!
 
 

the fun of the board was lost when some people wear their allegiance to their airline on their shirt sleeves.


After the DOJ had their say and WN was all over new AA's top markets, the fare bounce that Parker was expecting hasn't materialized.
.............................................
<snip>

 
Have you  looked in the mirror lately?
 
I guess you really have no shame.
 
Pathetic your attempt to try to deflect and spin and change the subject by writting useless diatribes now mentioning WN, DAL, DoJ in a discussion about AA-KE codeshare.
 
 

 
LOL. I'd rather lick a urinal cake than get stuck on a 767 all the way from the mainland U.S. to "deep" Asia. DL long-haul strategy FTW!

 
It's hilarious of how he knocks AA, saying that there is no way they can compete with their B777s against the superior service of Asian carriers ....................... but look out, here comes a DL B767 .........
 

 
 

This entire forum is a vast wasteland from what it used to be. Many many people I know who are very knowledgeable and influential in this industry (and its ancillary components) have departed from here. The reason they all say is due to the repetitive nature and narcissistic posts of a couple trolls. One is infamous and is big joke.

The moderators here should take a hard look at this. I only take glances here now. What a shame that this has been allowed to devolve.

 
Agree with you 100%
Every single thread on every airline board has this tool mentioning DL.  Which might not seem so bad except that it is always a backhanded compliment followed by a diatribe of DL superiority.
 
The moderators should seriously consider the a.net approach, first at least temporary to see how the quality on here improves. 
Perhaps if people started to complain, the mods might notice.
 
 

the joke is that this board is no longer an exchange of ideas but of groups of people who fear facing reality and so they do everything possible to tar and feather those who bring news.
 

 
These boards are certainly no longer an exchange of ideas because of you have unleashed Lysenkoism on here.
 
The way you purposefully fabricate and mis-represent data and make up lies makes Troffin Lysenko look like mother Theresa.

 

[FWAAA]

and yet DL's 767s actually have more seat space than AA's 777s.

and the SEA Pacific network is largely flown by 330s - which also offers more seat space than AA's 777s.

What, exactly, is "seat space"? That's not a common term used in the aviation industry.

 

[Kev3188]

The moderators should seriously consider the a.net approach, first at least temporary to see how the quality on here improves. 
Perhaps if people started to complain, the mods might notice.
 

The board's TOS is at the top of the page, and any post by any user is reportable.

Just sayin'...
 
 

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

What, exactly, is "seat space"? That's not a common term used in the aviation industry.

 
Ah come on FWAAA, it's a newly made-up metric which clearly demonstrates that DL is WINNING!!!!

 

[jimntx]

What, exactly, is "seat space"? That's not a common term used in the aviation industry.

I think you take the square root of moonthumbs per available seat gallon and multiply it by the number of "quality revenue dollars" received on DAL-ATL on St. Swithin's Day to determine seat space.

 

[WorldTraveler]

feel free to call it whatever you want.

the width of a seat cushion on a coach AA's 777s is, or will be when the cabin mods are done, the worst among any US carrier.

While DL and UA are getting rid of 744s and their 10 abreast seating and 17 inch seat width, AA is going in the complete opposite direction on 60 aircraft.

as much as some people want to believe that coach is nothing but low fare trash that is motivated only by low fares found on internet searches, the thought of sitting in a 17 inch wide seat is a factor that some passengers actually do consider - when they can sit in an 18 inch seat - which is where other carriers are going with their long haul fleet. not just to Asia but across AA's entire network.

so once again, another stupid comment by an AA fan who didn't think thru the fact that DL's 767s have more space per passenger than AA's.

you people make this way too easy.

The board's TOS is at the top of the page, and any post by any user is reportable.

Just sayin'...

all I'll just say that those who call other people names clearly can't handle the factually based discussions on this board and not only create a negative climate on the board but put their own participation on the board at risk.

there is no justification for calling other people names because you don't like the facts they post, right, Kev?

 

[xUT]

This entire forum is a vast wasteland from what it used to be. Many many people I know who are very knowledgeable and influential in this industry (and its ancillary components) have departed from here. The reason they all say is due to the repetitive nature and narcissistic posts of a couple trolls. One is infamous and is big joke.

The moderators here should take a hard look at this. I only take glances here now. What a shame that this has been allowed to devolve.

700 is a pretentious prick but I would not vote him off this board...
Just saying.

 

[jcw]

feel free to call it whatever you want.the width of a seat cushion on a coach AA's 777s is, or will be when the cabin mods are done, the worst among any US carrier.While DL and UA are getting rid of 744s and their 10 abreast seating and 17 inch seat width, AA is going in the complete opposite direction on 60 aircraft.as much as some people want to believe that coach is nothing but low fare trash that is motivated only by low fares found on internet searches, the thought of sitting in a 17 inch wide seat is a factor that some passengers actually do consider - when they can sit in an 18 inch seat - which is where other carriers are going with their long haul fleet. not just to Asia but across AA's entire network.so once again, another stupid comment by an AA fan who didn't think thru the fact that DL's 767s have more space per passenger than AA's.you people make this way too easy.all I'll just say that those who call other people names clearly can't handle the factually based discussions on this board and not only create a negative climate on the board but put their own participation on the board at risk.there is no justification for calling other people names because you don't like the facts they post, right, Kev?

Interesting comment about makings this way to easy the only way to take it is the preacher is saying you are stupid - wonder where that is in the bible

 

[WorldTraveler]

since your English in this post leaves something to be desired, I'm not entirely sure what your point is....

but preachers, and anyone else, do care about seat width and personal space on an aircraft as much as anyone else.

when someone comes on here making a comment about how bad it is to fly on a DL 767 across the Pacific, they should expect that a factual response that shows that DL's 767s offer more space per passenger than AA's 777s do.

in fact, AA's 767s offer more space per passenger than AA's 777s do... but AA is getting rid of many of their 767s and they don't fly the Pacific.

but the poster also fails to note that the 330 has a wider coach seat like the 767 than AA's 777s.

When someone goes down the path to argue a point about which the facts are stacked against them, then it isn't a surprise that those who are debating them will seize upon that error.