Whoa! AA-KE Codeshare

[jcw]

So now we are back to an English teacher now

Must of hit a nerve

 

[WorldTraveler]

if you are going to accurse me of being an English teacher

must HAVE hit a nerve.

and, no, it didn't.

Someone made a dumb remark about flying in a 767 only to be "schooled" (a word a lot of people around here love to throw around) that DL's 767s offer more passenger space (which certainly includes seat width) than AA's 777s - of which AA has 60 aircraft.

DL has more than 60 767s and all of them have refurbished interiors, AVOD at every seat, and coach seat cushions that are wider than any carrier has on 777s with 10 abreast in coach.

and of course this whole sideshow didn't even need to take place if the poster had bothered to verify schedules and see that the majority of DL's SEA TPAC schedule is operated by 330s, not 767s.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

but preachers, and anyone else, do care about seat width and personal space on an aircraft as much as anyone else.

when someone comes on here making a comment about how bad it is to fly on a DL 767 across the Pacific, they should expect that a factual response that shows that DL's 767s offer more space per passenger than AA's 777s do.
 

 
Ofcourse preachers care about the seat width.  They have their sheep paying the bills.
 
Oh, please, stop crying about the joke about DL and their ratty B767s.   You've had no problems mocking AA and their B777 and the onboard product, so if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen.
 
BTW:  I noticed that you're back to writing multi-thousand word diatribes hoping, praying that people forget what kind of a fool you madeyourself out to be arguing about AA-JAL ATI. 
 

 

[jcw]

So in case anyone cares to simply look at seatguru.com

Compare the AA seating to DL seating the AA seating on 777's is the same or better than DL on the 767's the AA width is smaller than DL. However the pitch on MCE is better than DL's.

So let's not let the facts get in the way - some aircraft on said cheerleaders airline is better some are worse - so basically it's a draw

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

So in case anyone cares to simply look at seatguru.com

Compare the AA seating to DL seating the AA seating on 777's is the same or better than DL on the 767's the AA width is smaller than DL. However the pitch on MCE is better than DL's.

So let's not let the facts get in the way - some aircraft on said cheerleaders airline is better some are worse - so basically it's a draw

 
What???? Are you saying the a certain fankid DL cheerleader lied yet again?  Shocker!

 

[WorldTraveler]

only if he bothers to look at the seat map for AA's UNCONFIGURED 777s.

who is the liar now?

is AA not reconfiguring the 772s after all? and the 773s don't have 10 abreast seating in the standard coach cabin?

how about you find the CORRECT seatguru page and post the seat stats?

again, if you showed even a modicum of intelligence in your discussions, I wouldn't have anywhere near the success in debating you.

 

[LD3]

Bla Bla Bla Bla Bla

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

again, if you showed even a modicum of intelligence in your discussions, I wouldn't have anywhere near the success in debating you.

 
Success in debating?
Really?
 
 
 

no.... you clearly don't understand that AA can share its revenue with anyone it wants but antitrust immunity is only granted to specific markets.

JL is part of the JBA for a larger set of markets than where ATI is permitted.

btw, the UA TPAC JBA is multi-national and involves multiple carriers but ATI only exists where the US has Open Skies.

correct me if I am wrong.

 

http://www.aa.com/i18n/amrcorp/newsroom/fp_aa_jal_benefits.jsp
Scope of the Joint Business
The joint business will apply to non-stop flights on 10 trans-Pacific routes initially. It is expected to be expanded upon obtaining the required approval from authorities of third-party countries to add routes linking destinations beyond Japan and North America.
 
 
Trans-Pacific Flights
Operating Carrier Route JAL
Narita = New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, Vancouver
Haneda = San Francisco
 
Operating Carrier Route AA
Narita = Dallas/Fort Worth†, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles
Haneda = New York†, Beijing = Chicago*, Shanghai = Chicago*, Los Angeles*
 
 
 
http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/american-airlines-japan-airlines-onewold-joint-business-launching-in-april-to-yield-usd150m-43349
 

 

For somebody who claims to have so much alleged knowledge in the industry, you should know that in the case of AA/JL ATI = JBA.  Educate yourself here:  http://www.airlineinfo.com/ostpdf80/33.pdf
 
By this order, the Department of Transportation grants approval of, and antitrust immunity (“ATI”) for, the separate applications of (1) Star Alliance members All Nippon Airways Co., Ltd,1 Continental Airlines, Inc.,2 and United Air Lines, Inc. (“NH/CO/UA” or “Star”)3 and (2) American Airlines, Inc., and Japan Airlines International Co. Ltd. (“AA/JL” or “oneworld”). The decisions in this order are conditioned upon the U.S.-Japan Open Skies aviation agreement being applied.
The Star applicants and oneworld applicants (collectively, the “ATI Applicants”)4 have requested a grant of immunity from the U.S. antitrust laws to operate two separate commercial alliances: for the Star applicants, a Joint Venture Agreement (“JVA”), and for the oneworld applicants, a Joint Business Agreement (“JBA”). We have concluded that, overall, each alliance will be procompetitive and is likely to generate substantial public benefits to the traveling and shipping public.

 

False. Wrong. You are incorrect. AA's application for an immunized joint venture with JAL included all 65 Asian markets served by JAL, including airports in Japan, China, Thailand, Phillipines, Vietnam, Korea, Singapore, etc:


Source: Exhibit JA-4, Page 2 of 2 of http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2010-0034-0001
 

Click on the links and edumacate yourself, Dingus. Consider yourself schooled in the basics of immunized joint ventures.
 

Multiple people have corrected you multiple times.
 

Again, you've been corrected. You're wrong. It's clear that your knowledge of the immunized joint ventures is lacking. When expounding on subjects of which you know so very little, it's best to put down the shovel and stop digging once your ignorance has been revealed. But if you want to keep digging all the way to China, there's little we can do to stop you.

Success in debating?
I don't think you would even make the high school debating team.

 

[WorldTraveler]

despite your success in thinking otherwise, no one has yet to demonstrate that AA has antitrust immunity with any other carrier regarding services other than to Japan because the DOT's documents don't list the countries where the ATI has been approved.

Yes, they have a joint business agreement... but no one has shown where they have ATI outside of Japan or how the revenue sharing part of the agreement is structured.

instead of calling people liars, how about you find the FACTS.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

despite your success in thinking otherwise, no one has yet to demonstrate that AA has antitrust immunity with any other carrier regarding services other than to Japan because the DOT's documents don't list the countries where the ATI has been approved.

Yes, they have a joint business agreement... but no one has shown where they have ATI outside of Japan or how the revenue sharing part of the agreement is structured.

instead of calling people liars, how about you find the FACTS.

 
 
Here you go.
Here is all the proof you need.
Case closed.  Game, set, match.
 

... ... ... but just because you can't see the proof doesn't mean that something is not true.

 

[jimntx]

Sorry.  I forgot myself for a moment, and posted a logic-based reply to one of his posts.  I should know by now that those never get through his thick skull.  And, I know that I have been nagging the rest of you to ignore him and not respond to his flights of fancy.  But, as I've said before...sometimes it's like coming up on a bad wreck on the other side of the freeway.  You just have to slow down and look.

 

[WorldTraveler]

let's just stick to the facts, ok?

AA 777-300ER

Pitch Width Seating details


Main Cabin Extra
36 18
30 standard seats

Economy 31 17
220 standard seats

DL 767-300ER

Economy 31-32 17.9
171 standard seats

Delta Airbus 330-200

Economy 31-32 18
168 standard seats


now tell me again which seat the vast majority of passengers would like to sit in while crossing the Pacific, Atlantic, or to Latin America?

http://www.seatguru.com/

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

let's just stick to the facts, ok?

Ooooh, yes, I love facts.
Can we stick with this one, you know, the one you have been proven wrong and schooled on.
That's the fact you can't avoid.
Lets stop with the deflections and attempts to change the topic.
Deal?

 

no.... you clearly don't understand that AA can share its revenue with anyone it wants but antitrust immunity is only granted to specific markets.

JL is part of the JBA for a larger set of markets than where ATI is permitted.

btw, the UA TPAC JBA is multi-national and involves multiple carriers but ATI only exists where the US has Open Skies.

correct me if I am wrong.

False. Wrong. You are incorrect. AA's application for an immunized joint venture with JAL included all 65 Asian markets served by JAL, including airports in Japan, China, Thailand, Phillipines, Vietnam, Korea, Singapore, etc:


Source: Exhibit JA-4, Page 2 of 2 of http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=DOT-OST-2010-0034-0001


Click on the links and edumacate yourself, Dingus. Consider yourself schooled in the basics of immunized joint ventures.


Multiple people have corrected you multiple times.


Again, you've been corrected. You're wrong. It's clear that your knowledge of the immunized joint ventures is lacking. When expounding on subjects of which you know so very little, it's best to put down the shovel and stop digging once your ignorance has been revealed. But if you want to keep digging all the way to China, there's little we can do to stop you.

 

[WorldTraveler]

FWAA hasn't posted a list of the countries where AA has ATI with JL.

how about you help him out.