Whoa! AA-KE Codeshare

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

so, it's ok to sell 17 inch seats that will be the worst possible option?
 

 
World Fraudster has attempted in the past to paint the picture that 17 inch seat width on AA 777-300ER aircraft is sub par - especially when compared to other world class carriers.
 
Somebody who might not be aware of World Fraudsters narrative might buy what he is selling.
 
Here is the Whole Truth regarding seat pitch for various operators of B777s:
 
Asian carriers:
NH seat width on their B777s is:  16-18 inches
CZ seat width on their B777s is:  17.2 inches
JL seat width on their B777s is:  17.5 inches
KE seat width on their B777s is:  18 inches
UA seat width on their B777s is:  18-18.3 inches
CX seat width on their B777s is:  18.5 inches
SN seat width on their B777s is:  17-19 inches
 
European carriers:
AZ seat width on their B777s is:  16.5 inches
AF seat width on their B777s is:  17 inches
BA seat width on their B777s is:  17 inches
KL seat width on their B777s is:  17.5 inches
 
The AA 777-300's seat dimensions in coach are 17 inches
AA's plans for the renovated 777-200's are to have 18inch seat width in coach (same width as they currently have but which is still 0.5 inches less than DL's 777s).
The seats on the DL 777s are 18.5 inches
The seats on the DL 767s are 17.9 inches
 
I couldn't help but notice that AA seat width in coach is not at all out of line with what other Asian and European carriers offer - including sky team partner carriers.
 
One might think that perhaps World Fraudster just didn't know this data, and ofcourse be given the benefit of the doubt. 
Well you would be wrong. 
World Fraudster has spewed this garbage about the inferior AA seats previously.
And he has previously been corrected (you can read about it on the locked "Rumor has it DL PHL-LHR" thread).
 
Getting caught lying (often about the same issue) is daily / constant / repetitive feature of World Fraudster.  For example, for today, Feb. 10, 2015, he posted 3 lies before 9 a.m. And yes, they all involved painting a much more prettier picture of a certain ATL-based airline.
 
Gee, I wonder if World Fraudster has a narrative to sell?

 

[FWAAA]

feel free to call it whatever you want.

the width of a seat cushion on a coach AA's 777s is, or will be when the cabin mods are done, the worst among any US carrier.

Ahh, so "seat space" equals "width." Thanks.

Yes, by time AA finishes reconfiguring its 777s, its seat width will be less than airlines that keep 9-abreast in 777 economy.

Good thing the MCE section remains at the old width.

 

[WorldTraveler]

so, AA is cheapening the quality of the personal space it offers for standard coach customers so in order to get the same amount of space that DL will offer on its entire int'l fleet except for the 744s which are leaving is for AA customers to buy MCE - or buy a ticket on a competitor that offers more space.

Well while the passengers on Delta may indeed enjoy the extra space, the vast majority of passengers elsewhere in the industry must not be too vocal, or the operators not too concerned as Boeing is delivering well over half their  777s in the 10 abreast configuration.

except that the 777 didn't get any wider between the 772s and 773s... some airlines just have chosen to cram more seats in while devaluing the product. - under the guise that coach passengers just shop by price and will accept anything.

good thing that Airbus makes 18 abreast the standard on its aircraft and that DL is managing to put more seats on its 772s than AA and still leave 9 abreast seating.

I have a feeling that there will be some lights going off in a couple years that coach passengers aren't as stupid as some make them out to be and that personal space including width does matter.

it is not equal on all aircraft and some passengers really would prefer to cross the Pacific on a 330 or 767 than fly in a 777 or 744 with less seat width.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

so, AA is cheapening the quality of the personal space it offers for standard coach customers so in order to get the same amount of space that DL will offer on its entire int'l fleet except for the 744s which are leaving is for AA customers to buy MCE - or buy a ticket on a competitor that offers more space.

 
What the heck are you talking about?
What AA offers in seat width in coach is not out of line with what is offered by other carriers.
And what moronic customer chooses to purchase a ticket based on seat width?
I've heard of people being influenced by price, schedule, non-stop/connecting, loyalty program, seat pitch - but nobody has ever made seat width the factor when purchasing a seat.
Only an obsessed individual with an agenda / and a narrative so sell would write such a moronic statement.
Fear fear fear!
 

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

except that the 777 didn't get any wider between the 772s and 773s... some airlines just have chosen to cram more seats in while devaluing the product. - under the guise that coach passengers just shop by price and will accept anything.

good thing that Airbus makes 18 abreast the standard on its aircraft and that DL is managing to put more seats on its 772s than AA and still leave 9 abreast seating.

I have a feeling that there will be some lights going off in a couple years that coach passengers aren't as stupid as some make them out to be and that personal space including width does matter.

it is not equal on all aircraft and some passengers really would prefer to cross the Pacific on a 330 or 767 than fly in a 777 or 744 with less seat width.

 
Two of the big three airlines are converting 772s to 10 abreast, or making plans to. Other operators are also clearly of the same mindset as Boeing is cranking out more than half of new 777s in 10 abreast configuration.
 
Well while you may have a feeling about lights going off in a few years, it would seem a majority of those actually responsible for the marketing/planning of these things in the industry have quite a different feeling now, and are planning to increase revenue. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

has UA announced firm plans?

and if 2 people jump off of a cliff, does it make it right?

there are indeed articles about seat width and savvy travelers do know the difference.

when airlines offer the same pitch but some offer narrower seats, it ain't hard to figure out that someone is getting less on one airline than on another.

further, how about you compare actually WHICH airlines offer 10 abreast 777s on longhaul TPAC flights which is precisely where the difference in seat size most matters?

after reading for years on this site the mindset of so many AA fankids that coach passengers don't really caer about service, it is no surprise that their company is doing exactly what the fans want to believe.

Seat size does matter in more than just premium class. and it matters the most on the longest haul int'l flights.

to argue that customers don't know the difference between seat size is as stupid as arguing that customers don't know that DL provides completely free alcohol in all cabins on all longhaul int'l flights while other carriers do not.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

savvy travelers also know this:
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

except besides being a joke, it is inaccurate.

there is no difference on DL between the seating or service in DL coach whether one has paid standard or basic economy.

you can even get a full can and one of 3 snacks in any DL coach domestic seat.

don't even ask on AA or UA - unless you want to be disappointed and told "no".

wanna keep going?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

except besides being a joke, it is inaccurate.

there is no difference on DL between the seating or service in DL coach whether one has paid standard or basic economy.

you can even get a full can and one of 3 snacks in any DL coach domestic seat.

don't even ask on AA or UA - unless you want to be disappointed and told "no".

wanna keep going?

 
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes the joke part was noted.

so are you agreeing that DL really will have an advantage with coach passengers?

or are they all just ignoramuses that do not know what they are buying and will force themselves into any space they can get without comparing the alternatives?

Dougie must be so proud of you.

the intelligent thing would be to shut up and quit creating lines and lines of text that google can read that show that AA will have the most uncomfortable coach cabin when its 777 refurb is finished.

how is that list of premium Asian carriers coming that have 10 abreast coach on 777s?

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Why are you being a slithering serpent and trying to deflect/change the topic.
The 17 inch seat on AA 777-300ER is not an industry aberration, no matter how much you try to spew the misinformation.
The AA 777-200er seats are 18 inches in coach, a grand total of 0.5 inches different from DL
Only a moron like you would claim that passengers purchase tickets based on seat width.
Grow up man.

 

[WorldTraveler]

just list the number of carriers and specifically the aircraft they operate that offer 17 inch seats across the Pacific if you want to argue it is not the norm.

then do the same for TATL and Latin carriers.

passengers are smart enough to know what they are buying.

AA might get the first time flyers who don't bother to check but even the smallest person can figure out that some carriers offer more space than others.

Unless UA decides to do the same, AA has committed to having the largest fleet of aircraft with 17 inch seats operating long haul routes other than Emirates. Unlike Emirates, AA is not governed subsidized or have a home market monopoly.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

just list the number of carriers and specifically the aircraft they operate that offer 17 inch seats across the Pacific if you want to argue it is not the norm.
 

 
Asian carriers:
NH seat width on their B777s is:  16-18 inches
CZ seat width on their B777s is:  17.2 inches
JL seat width on their B777s is:  17.5 inches
KE seat width on their B777s is:  18 inches
UA seat width on their B777s is:  18-18.3 inches
CX seat width on their B777s is:  18.5 inches
SN seat width on their B777s is:  17-19 inches
 
European carriers:
AZ seat width on their B777s is:  16.5 inches
AF seat width on their B777s is:  17 inches
BA seat width on their B777s is:  17 inches
KL seat width on their B777s is:  17.5 inches
 
And again, just to repeat myself:
17 inch seat width on AA 777-300ER
18 inch seat width on AA 777-200er
 
But keep on spewing misinformation and keep on trying to change subjects and deflecting from the issue at hand.
 
You've once again made a fool of yourself just like you did a few pages ago on this thread with respect to the
AA-JL ATI.
 
Grow up man.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and yet DL's revenues to LHR are growing by double digits - hundreds of millions of dollars per year - and DL has posted a 25% operating profit margin flying to Europe while its competitors including JV partner AF are struggling to hold on for dear life. AZ was essentially sold to the Arabs.

what a prize for delivering such great service.

of the Asian carriers you noted, how many are using 17 inch coat seats on TPAC flights. IIRC, 10 abreast 777s are intra-Asia for those carriers.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

and yet DL's revenues to LHR

 
Spinning and deflecting. 
 
Again.
 
First you were proven wrong (multiple times) about the AA-JAL JV / ATI
 
Then you attempted to change the topic to allegedly terrible AA coach seat width.
 
When you got schooled yet again, you revert to your tricks of changing the topic.
 
I guess that's all you can do once you become unhinged.
 
Pathetic!