Whoa! AA-KE Codeshare

[WorldTraveler]

uh, the topic IS AA-KE.

KE doesn't fly any transoceanic aircraft with less than 18 inch wide seats.

let's find you another pail so you can keep throwing dirt.

with AA's announcement regarding the 787 configuration, AA has set the standard for having less than 18 inch seats.

don't think that customers won't recognize that... and that, esp. in int'l partnerships, customers will quickly figure out which carrier has the better product, in this case, wider seat.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

uh, the topic IS AA-KE.

KE doesn't fly any transoceanic aircraft with less than 18 inch wide seats.

let's find you another pail so you can keep throwing dirt.

with AA's announcement regarding the 787 configuration, AA has set the standard for having less than 18 inch seats.

don't think that customers won't recognize that... and that, esp. in int'l partnerships, customers will quickly figure out which carrier has the better product, in this case, wider seat.

 
Ignorance is truly bliss, you should educate yourself before you speak.
 
Although I see that in addition to your fear, you're demonstrating quite the jealousy that DL will be the only big 3 USA legacy carrier that does not yet operate either the B787 or A350 - you know, 21st century aircraft.
 
Even Aeromexico is operating the B787. 
The best of all, this proud DL partner features 17.2 inch seat width on their B787s. 
 
Oh, oh, there goes the DL superiority narrative out the window.
 
And guess what - AC and UA have 17.3 inch seat width on their B787s.
But I guess customers are recognizing that and fleeing those carriers in droves to mighty DL  ... only in your wet dreams.
 
And speaking of the Whole Truth and facts and all that, did you happen to notice the less than 18 inches seat width on VS (17.5 inches) - a proud DL subsidiary.  I guess if it's less than 18 inches customers must be fleeing VS too .........  oops, I guess that fact ruins the DL superiority narrative too, darn it.
 
But wait, according to World Fraudster, any airline that has a seat width of less than 18 inches is a loser. 
Well, then DL doesn't measure up because according to seat guru, their seats on their 1980s state of the art B767s (proudly seasonally serving SEA-HND) come in a bit short at 17.9 inches.   Ouch, that's gotta hurt.
 
As for providing a bucket for me to pile on dirt, don't bother, your stupidity gave me truckloads.
Just let me know when you want me to obey the mercy rule.

 

[700UW]

Keep it up, I need the excitement, I had my gall bladder removed last Friday.

 

[robbedagain]

Frugal  you've got some of the best posts Ive seen in long time on here..   too bad someone is way tooo ignorant as he still has FAILED to answer your question regarding the jvs for DL     

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL does have 350s on order... and I could put down a stake that they will not be configured with 17 inch seats.

so, again, just because AC, UA, and AA all have decided to put less than 18 inch seats on their aircraft doesn't mean that it is a decision DL will follow.

and it will be all the more apparent that DL will be one of the largest int'l airlines that will offer an 18 inch class seat as the narrowest on its int'l aircraft even while the competition is going the opposite direction and as DL retires the narrow seat 744s.

of course coach passengers in the opinion of some here aren't smart enough to know the difference...

Keep it up, I need the excitement, I had my gall bladder removed last Friday.

you're pretty young for major parts like that to start failing, aren't you?

 

[700UW]

Not young, not old, and nope, it was stones and it runs in the family.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Keep it up, I need the excitement, I had my gall bladder removed last Friday.

 
Two friends meet and following the usual “how are you and what’s up” the first friend asks:
- Everything OK with your gallbladder? Did you undergo surgery?
- Nah, I didn’t. I was taken to the surgery room but couldn’t take it in the end. Just before they put me under, I got up and ran away.
- For real? What were you afraid of? It’s routine surgery. Even more routine than taking your tonsils or your appendix out.
- I’m not arguing but this is how it went… Two nurses and an anesthesiologist were standing above me and kept on repeating the same thing, over and over again… “don’t worry about a thing” … “everything is going to be fine”… “it’s a very simple operation, you’ll see..”
- It’s true. That’s how it is. I still fail to understand you. Why did you run away?
- I ran away because they weren’t talking to me. They were addressing my surgeon!

 

[WorldTraveler]

it appears that main cabin extra on the 787 will have the same width seats as in the standard economy section.

"The Main Cabin will be outfitted with 48 Main Cabin Extra seats in a 3-3-3 configuration, offering customers up to six inches of additional legroom, and 150 Main Cabin seats also arranged in a 3-3-3 configuration. Every seat offers a 9-inch HD Panasonic touchscreen monitor with an assortment of movies, TV programs, games and audio selections. Each Main Cabin seat is also equipped with universal AC power outlets and a USB jack."

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

has UA announced firm plans?

and if 2 people jump off of a cliff, does it make it right?

there are indeed articles about seat width and savvy travelers do know the difference.

when airlines offer the same pitch but some offer narrower seats, it ain't hard to figure out that someone is getting less on one airline than on another.

further, how about you compare actually WHICH airlines offer 10 abreast 777s on longhaul TPAC flights which is precisely where the difference in seat size most matters?

after reading for years on this site the mindset of so many AA fankids that coach passengers don't really caer about service, it is no surprise that their company is doing exactly what the fans want to believe.

Seat size does matter in more than just premium class. and it matters the most on the longest haul int'l flights.

to argue that customers don't know the difference between seat size is as stupid as arguing that customers don't know that DL provides completely free alcohol in all cabins on all longhaul int'l flights while other carriers do not.

 
Firm plans? Well its to the point the media has picked it up, and a Special Projects Crew here in SFO is being beefed up again.
 
2 people?  There are alot more airlines with 10 abreast seating than just 2 if thats what you're trying to infer.
 
I never claimed customers don't know the difference in seat sizes,  I just don't see this as big an issue as you've continued to try and make it. 
 
Like it or not, while there may be savvy passengers that will base their choice in travel on seat size, there are obviously more that place a lesser value on it in their decision making progress.  
 
10 across is becoming the standard, AA & UA are just the latest to join in. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

no, I am not inferring there are only two airlines.

I am still waiting for what TPAC carriers use 10 abreast 777 seats.

10 abreast IS standard on short haul 777s. it is NOT the standard on longhaul.

KE, for one does not use 17 inch seats on longhaul TPAC flights.

and the 777 isn't even the issue. the 17 inch seat is the new norm for AA's coach cabin, even in MCE on the 787.

Airbus produces aircraft that like the 767 hold 18 inch (or just under for the 767) wide seats throughout the aircraft.

as much as you want to believe otherwise, the seat width will be a factor in how airlines are judged in the market.... AA and UA are moving in the direction of smaller seats while DL is moving in the opposite direction and closer to the higher rated Asian carriers.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

no, I am not inferring there are only two airlines.

I am still waiting for what TPAC carriers use 10 abreast 777 seats.

10 abreast IS standard on short haul 777s. it is NOT the standard on longhaul.

KE, for one does not use 17 inch seats on longhaul TPAC flights.

and the 777 isn't even the issue. the 17 inch seat is the new norm for AA's coach cabin, even in MCE on the 787.

Airbus produces aircraft that like the 767 hold 18 inch (or just under for the 767) wide seats throughout the aircraft.

as much as you want to believe otherwise, the seat width will be a factor in how airlines are judged in the market.... AA and UA are moving in the direction of smaller seats while DL is moving in the opposite direction and closer to the higher rated Asian carriers.

 
So 10 across is standard on short haul but not long haul?
 
More than 60% of the 777s Boeing is selling are coming out in the 10 across configuration - do you really think that's going just to short haul markets?
 
BTW I already acknowledged that seat width was a factor, but unlike you I don't see it as the deal killer you do.  With the increasing number of aircraft entering service with 10 across seating, it would seem a growing majority in the industry whose specialty is addressing said factors, don't view it as much of a threat either.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

don't think that customers won't recognize that... and that, esp. in int'l partnerships, customers will quickly figure out which carrier has the better product, in this case, wider seat.

 
So what?
All that means is that Fatty McGee can fly on DL, whereas AA will score all the hot chicks.  AA wins.
 
 

of course coach passengers in the opinion of some here aren't smart enough to know the difference...
 

 
What difference does it make?
According to Parker AAL is not asking their customers to be happy with anything.

 

10 abreast IS standard on short haul 777s. it is NOT the standard on longhaul.

 
Oh oh!
You stepped into it again, big time.
But I'm not surprised.  Let me school you.  And you're welcome!
 
Today's Lesson:  '10 abreast IS standard on short haul 777s. it is NOT the standard on longhaul"  Let's make that your null hypothesis.
 
SkyTeam member AF disagrees with you.
SkyTeam member AZ disagrees with you.
SkyTeam member CZ disagrees with you.
SkyTeam member KL disagrees with you.
SkyTeam member SV disagrees with you.
SkyTeam member SU disagrees with you.
 
Air Canada disagrees with you.
Austrian Airlines disagrees with you.
British Airways disagrees with you.
Etihad disagrees with you.
Emirates disagrees with you.
 
Well, it looks like your null hypothesis has been rejected.
Therefore the statement should be fixed as follows: 
'10 abreast IS standard on short haul 777s. it is NOT the standard on longhaul"
 
What have we learned today?
 
World Fraudster was factually incorrect.
But everyone already knew that.

 

[commavia]

On a tangentially related note (which is to say, by the standards of most AA threads on this website, a directly related subject) ... I hear AA's ORD-NRT will be returning to daily - at least seasonally - in the near future, meaning we can look forward to bidding yet another AA/Asia canard farewell for a while.  (Hey, we can all dream, can't we?)
 
All the anti-AA B.S. - whether about AA in Korea, AA in China, AA's JV with JAL, AA at LAX, AA in Mexico, AA not knowing how to fly 767s long distances, AA not knowing how to account for goodwill or tax assets, AA not "winning" in "N. Texas," etc. - are all being dismantled brick by brick.
 
And the fear is growing stronger.

 

[jcw]

Actually we might want to change one cheerleaders name to Brian Williams
 
Also, WT might want to call Boeing and recommend they stop selling the 787 - I'm sure the 787 will struggle to compete DL's 767's to PEK, etc

 

[robbedagain]

Frugal  your post might as well sent him way over the edge     or into a mental health facility    he got nailed yet again   wonder how many times he'll lie and then turn thngs around to make it look like he was right....    btw still waiting for him to answer your quest regarding the jvs making big for dl   but I guess we will see xmas before that