Whoa! AA-KE Codeshare

[silverbird007]

Maybe KE just decided to work with the Worlds largest carrier, instead of the 3rd largest carrier. AA has much more to offer KE than DL, a bigger network is always good. Or maybe they decided to ditch the ugly girl for the pretty one! Lol happens all the time!!

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA is the largest carrier but the 3rd largest INT"L carrier including #3 across both the Atlantic and Pacific.

DL is the #2 carrier based on traffic and revenue for 2014. UA is #3. KE doesn't work with UA.

DL is the largest airline across the Atlantic and the #2 across the Pacific with UA the opposite of DL in both regions.


it is precisely because of AA's large domestic position but weak int'l position that KE stands to gain more from a Korean regional carrier for the US than to have to compete with a much larger carrier across the Pacific.
 

On a tangentially related note (which is to say, by the standards of most AA threads on this website, a directly related subject) ... I hear AA's ORD-NRT will be returning to daily - at least seasonally - in the near future, meaning we can look forward to bidding yet another AA/Asia canard farewell for a while.  (Hey, we can all dream, can't we?)
 
All the anti-AA B.S. - whether about AA in Korea, AA in China, AA's JV with JAL, AA at LAX, AA in Mexico, AA not knowing how to fly 767s long distances, AA not knowing how to account for goodwill or tax assets, AA not "winning" in "N. Texas," etc. - are all being dismantled brick by brick.
 
And the fear is growing stronger.

bringing back ORD - NRT to daily service is supposed to be some indicator of AA's newfound success in the marketplace? I hope you don't sell the pills you used to come to that conclusion because if you do the DEA will come after you for distribution.

AA has a codeshare arrangement with KE for ONE ROUTE. NO MORE. when that changes and AA is more than KE's regional carrier in the Americas, let us know.

what has AA changed about their 767s other than to park half of them and leave the rest with probably the worst onboard product in the US int'l fleet? at least AA's 767s have 18 inch seats while AA will have a fleet of scores of 777s and 787s that will have 17 inch as the standard seat width - and even the 787s won't be any better in MCE.

AA is replacing a smaller competitor to DL-AM at LAX. doesn't move the competitive dial.

if you want to talk about moving the competitive dial, DL/VS' 10% increase in seats to LHR this year is what is happening. with a JV. IN a market that has "no room for expansion".

 

[700UW]

U.S. has one 762 left and it is making its last flight today, the majority of PMUS' has been the A330 family not the 762.

 

[WorldTraveler]

precisely.

the pmUS fleet will be the ones that have more room in coach via wider seats.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

what has AA changed about their 767s other than to park half of them and leave the rest with probably the worst onboard product in the US int'l fleet? at least AA's 767s have 18 inch seats while AA will have a fleet of scores of 777s and 787s that will have 17 inch as the standard seat width - and even the 787s won't be any better in MCE.
 

 
Good morning World Fraudster,
 
I see that you're still spewing / repeating lies over and over and over praying that if you type a falsehood it will be true.
 
Why so much hate?
 
The coach seat width in AA 777-200er is 18-18.5 inches.  This is true for both the old and new configs. NOT 17 inches as you spew.
 
The 777-300er is used on DFW-HKG and despite your false narrative, 10-across seating in coach is standard config despite the fact that DL does not have it, and as demonstrated a page-or-two back, the 17 inch seat pitch is also more-or-less standard.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yes, we know that AA's CURRENT 772ER seat is not 17 inches.

when you convince AA mgmt. to stop the cabin refurbs let me know.

there is no fraud in what I said.

AA is moving to having the largest fleet of 17 inch coach seats on its longhaul fleet when the 777s and 787s are fully in service, even though AA will still retain some ratty 767s and PMUS 330s.

and your assertion that 10 abreast on the 777 is NOT standard and has NOT been proven. someone spouted something and you jumped on it (typical) even though I have yet to see evidence of what Asian carriers use 10 abreast 777s ACROSS THE PACIFIC including on 16 hour flights.

and most significantly, KE does not use 10 abreast 777s AT ALL.

 

[700UW]

So AA's 763s are ratty?
 
So another fraudulent statement and lie by World Fraudster.
 
Have you been on all of AA763s?
 
At least AA is doing its own mods on its planes and not flying them to third party chop shops all over Asia.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

yes, we know that AA's CURRENT 772ER seat is not 17 inches.

and neither are the reconfigured versions
 

and your assertion that 10 abreast on the 777 is NOT standard and has NOT been proven

 
Really?
Are you denying that  AF, AZ, CZ, KL, SV, SU, AC, OS, BA, EY, EK seat 10 abreast on their B777s?
 
That's a pretty bold statement, it almost rivals this gem of yours:  DL's strategy with VS has already generated far more revenue for DL than any other airline partnership has for any other airline in the same period of time.

I'm waiting for your next fraudulent / made up statement.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

now, once again, dispense with the name calling and tell me which of those carriers fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific

the only fraud is that you have been cornered and can't come up with an excuse for why

So AA's 763s are ratty?
 
So another fraudulent statement and lie by World Fraudster.
 
Have you been on all of AA763s?
 
At least AA is doing its own mods on its planes and not flying them to third party chop shops all over Asia.

yes, AA's 767s are not anywhere close to global standards for int'l service. AA is not investing in the 767s because they are focusing on the 777s.

it is perfectly fine to argue that the 777s will be around longer so they will get the refurbs but don't then argue that the AA 767s are anywhere close to being comparable to AA's other types or DL's 767s which were completely refurbbed nose to tail and offer a nearly identical coach product to what DL offers on other aircraft.

PMUS' 330s are a far better aircraft than AA's 767s.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Why am I not surprised?
 

now, once again, dispense with the name calling and tell me which of those carriers fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific
 

 

 

[700UW]

I dont know what fantasy world you are living in but AA has and is still doing cabin mods (in-house and not to a third party in SIN) on the 763s.
 
Dont let the facts get in your way.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and tell me will those 767s that are retained have the same amenities as the 330s and 777s?

don't bother looking. they will not.

AA's 767s will have a lower quality product until they are moved out of the fleet.

and when they go, AA will have a high percentage of its fleet with 17 inch coach seats than nearly every other large global carrier, certainly across the Pacific.

 

[ThirdSeatHero]

now, once again, dispense with the name calling and tell me which of those carriers fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific

 
OMFG! Give it up already!
 
 
Philippine Airlines fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific
 
ANA fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific
 
Air New Zealand fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific
 
China Eastern fly 10 abreast 777s across the Pacific

 

[WorldTraveler]

you are right about ANA.... and their seats are even narrower than 17 inches....

no wonder DL is profitable flying to NRT.

you picked out 4 airlines - which is a start. but those do not amount to anywhere near the majority of 777 flights across the Pacific - and I also don't think too many people would categorize all of them as premium carriers.

we'll check back in a few years but I can absolutely assure you that there will be a basis for showing that carriers that have wider seats generate better revenues.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

This is an outright lie which World Fraudster is spewing.
 

and when they go, AA will have a high percentage of its fleet with 17 inch coach seats than nearly every other large global carrier

 
As has been pointed out, the AA  777-200er do not have the 17 inch seat width, the 777-300er do. 
This detrimental seat width, 17 inches, is also what is offered by NH, CZ, JL, SN.
 
On the B787, the seat width on the AA econ cabin will be the same that is offered by UA, AC, AM, BA, NH, JL.
 
World Fraudster has come on this thread to spread the DL rules the world narrative while at the same time purposefully posting outright lies.  He has been proven wrong on the AA-JL ATI.  He has been proven wrong on 10 abreast seating on B777s and he has been proven wrong on seat width.  He is still refusing to accept facts and repeatedly grasping at something, anything that just might validate his DL rules the world theory - so he came up with seat width, and magically fabricated the mythical "any airline that has a seat width of <18 inches is doomed to fail" yet at the same time forgetting that many DL aircraft have seat width of less than 18 inches.