When Is The Iam Going To Appeal?

Should US Techs maintain the Bus

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  • No

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BoeingBoy said:
Of course, we all know that anything the FAA oversees has to be top-notch. (Wink, wink, nod, nod)

Jim
Yes. That is why that lady who was top dog of the FAA resigned a few years back when she called it as it is which is not politically correct. It seems calling to task some short comings is a no no to people who are connected.

Good example is the TSO and PMA authorizations some facilities are lucky have. They are a license to steal and very hard to get unless you are connected.

That is why stolen parts are a big black market cash cow.

Don't think for a minute that third party vendors who don't have the FAA hounding them daily, like the carriers do, don't get tempted by this black market where cheap parts are available. It happens.
 
linemech said:
A320 Driver said:
Then do the work. Do it better, faster and more effeciently than the outsource facility. Get off your high horse and figure out how to compete instead of beat your chest.

A320 Driver B)
A320 Driver,

The IAM has shown the company that in house mechanics can do the work faster and more effeciently than any outsource facility, not only in heavy maintenance, but in other areas as well.

Even when challenged by management to come up with a plan FOR THEM, and proving the numbers to them, they have continually ignored any IAM plan that would keep work in house, even at at savings with quicker turn time.

You seem to be very ill informed in the matter. Even when given information on this subject in this forum you continue the same rantings.

Could it be that you do not really wish to know the facts ? Instead choosing to lash out at the mechanic group for trying to defend the work that belongs to them.

I have to ask you the same question others have, Would you have this same attitude if Dave decided that a Mesa pilot could do your job and you are no longer needed ? Not just you alone, almost your entire work group !
BoeingBoy,

Good answer!!!

UT
 
756pro said:
Not only do we own it, this poll was placed by management in their trifle attempt to change perception!
Do you see shawdows around every corner too. Get over the management thing, we are employees just like you....
 
Facts? said:
Stormed in at 3am? Sounds a little melodramatic. I've been watching this board for a long time and think the time may be to stop coming here. Too much of the same whining and misinformation being spread. Forums are a great opportunity to communicate things that are going on and give some behind the scenes views of what it takes to make an airline run.

Every thread seems to take on the same tone of what the company has done to destroy people and yadda yadda yadda. Interesting that the same people tend to make the same comments and go back and forth between issues. Good thing there is still such as thing as the silent majority.

For those insightful regulars on this forum that stick to facts and well thought out posts I say kudo's, your efforts are sometimes appreciated. Too bad your thought line gets muddied by those that can't seem to move forward.
Some people cannot control their rage, and emotion drives then around like a wheel barrel....
 
Excuse me, useyourhead,

Go back and read the artilce from the St Petersburg Times, that I posted, it cleary states the company put everyone in the breakroom at 3am and told them after they completed the work for the night, that the hangar is going to be closed.

No melodrama, it happened and it is the truth, why do you choose to ignore it?
 
UseYourHead said:
Do you see shawdows around every corner too. Get over the management thing, we are employees just like you....
And I am Santa Clause

And you are Humpty Dumpty

It’s Valentine’s Day

So in that spirit, peace to you, although we will forever differ in our thinking...
 
700UW said:
Excuse me, useyourhead,

Go back and read the artilce from the St Petersburg Times, that I posted, it cleary states the company put everyone in the breakroom at 3am and told them after they completed the work for the night, that the hangar is going to be closed.

No melodrama, it happened and it is the truth, why do you choose to ignore it?
I am
new to this site, so, please forgive me, I'm not sure when or how to respond. I was in the TPA airport about 5:00am on the day in question. It's TRUE, all true. They locked down the TPA hangar at approx. 3:00am. They first locked down the computer information for seniority purposes. They did this a day or two before the actual "CLOSURE". There were several calls made to PIT about the computer system lock-out. "It must be a computer glitch" said PIT maint. administration.
Management did this under the cover of darkness, and away from the press......GO FIGURE!!!!
 
Mechanics Cleared In Charlotte Crash

By Russ Niles
Newswriter, Editor

A mechanic and his supervisors have been cleared of any wrongdoing over maladjusted elevator cables suspected of playing a role in the crash of a US Airways Express Beech 1900 on Jan. 8, 2003. All 21 people aboard the commuter flight, operated for the airline by Air Midwest, died when it climbed sharply after takeoff, stalled and crashed into a hangar at Charlotte Airport. According to The Charlotte Observer, the FAA has sent letters to mechanic Brian Zias; George States, a mechanic who inspected Zias' work; and Richard Tucker, foreman of the Huntington, W.Va., shop where the work was done, telling them they "may consider the matter closed." But the paper also quotes unnamed sources as saying the letters don't necessarily indicate the maintenance was done correctly. Two days before the crash, Zias adjusted the elevator cables and, with States' approval, skipped steps in the maintenance manual, according to the Observer. The manual itself has come under criticism from Air Midwest, which said better instructions in the manual could have prevented the mis-rigging of the cables. Raytheon is now revising the manuals to make them easier to follow. The NTSB is expected to issue its final report on the causes of the crash at a Feb. 26 hearing in Washington, D.C.
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I can hear the cockpit voice recorder being played now:

"Cap'n, the checklist says to put the gear down for landing - ya want it now?"

"Nah, the Feds don't care if we skip a few steps."

Jim
 
Stuff like this breaks my heart. If I ever made a mistake that killed people, I dont know how I could go on.
 
UseYourHead said:
Do you see shawdows around every corner too. Get over the management thing, we are employees just like you....
Use your head,

I guess you slipped up. So, "we"? "We are employees just like you"?

I always knew you were mangement. ;) Hey, your secret safe with me...
 
PITbull said:
Use your head,

I guesss you slipped up. So, "we"? "We are employees just like you"?

I always knew you were mangement. ;) Hey, your secret safe with me...
We are employees just like you"?
we have a little blind faith here?
do you feel we should outsource the buses even at the cost of YOUR job?
duh?? ;)
 
BabyBus said:
I am happy to see that this question generated such responses. True the market place seems to be driving decisions. What can be done to beat the competition? I beleive that creating competative units on the tracks would be more productive and please get rid of those time clocks. Let the guys run the show, this includes the Leads and Supervisors. Give the guys a chance to prove that they are some of the best. Have the planners and techs work together to establish the track schedule, modify this schedule of activity from lessons learned and kick butt.
Enough for now....I'll be back with another poll soon. Thanks for the responses.
I like your idea here.

Most employees at U don’t punch a clock, but 6 Million dollars was just spend on a new time clock system where finger prints will be used. It’s like we are the known enemy and can not be trusted so therefore must be watched over as children or crooks stealing time.

I have worked in both environments, one where time clocks ruled and the other where peer pressure ruled. I found that peer pressure was a strong motivator which made production consistently high. The places where time clocks where used the clock was the motivator. The time clock tells you when you can take a break, take lunch and quitting time. The places in which no time clocks where used people did their work and did it efficiently because if you didn’t carry your weight the next guy had to and that went over like lead balloon. The time clock on the other hand makes people who are working hard and into their task, stop dead in their tracks when the buzzer sounds and take a break, if you don’t take a break, well then that too has peer pressure and you and called to task about making everyone look bad.

I believe a time clock inhibits production not enhances production. But you will never get management to believe this fact because we are all considered lazy thieves if not regulated in some fashion, which is not true. I have lived it both ways and know the realities.

Plus, you have all the personnel and equipment to regulate a select group of workers with the time system while the rest are left to work on their own merits. I think it was a real stupid move spending 6 million dollars we don’t have to regulate people when it’s not cost effective to begin with.
 
delldude said:
PITbull said:
Use your head,

I guesss you slipped up. So, "we"? "We are employees just like you"?

I always knew you were mangement.  ;)  Hey, your secret safe with me...
We are employees just like you"?
we have a little blind faith here?
do you feel we should outsource the buses even at the cost of YOUR job?
duh?? ;)
"Blind Faith" with this crew?? You have got to be kidding ? ;)

Blind faith is best reserved for the God you worship...not worldy forms of leadership ..and I use the word leadership very loosely regarding our present situation.

I feel certain that those whom aren't part of our esteemed maintenance department , yet are so eager to see us give up our jobs and wages to protect thier jobs and futures would feel very different about this subject if safety and security was their foremost concern in this business?..or if they had to face the consequences of those views in a very up close and personal manner?

I know we have a number of posters here whom understand that safety and quality come at a price..and they know they can hang their hats on what we as the IAM Mechanic and Related provide them on a day in , day out basis.

I know we have a few exceptions here and there whom are willing to short themselves and others in safety and reliability terms to keep a check rolling in..and these are the very same people that would take chances in other aspects of their lives that I would also find un-acceptable in my trek through life outside of aviation. To each his/her own !! I will always take the high percentage shot Vs. Gambling with the lives of others and often myself. I will be sure always is my mantra..not "that looks good enough to get by" as past events have shown example of.

Money for me is not the end game...it is simply a means to an end that provides us life sustaining attributes and comfort, some recieving more lavish amounts than others. :huh:

I suggest to those whom speak in favor of the outsourcing consider that few if any IAM'ers ever speak about the shoe being on your foot..unless it has been a pilot or two whom has angered one of us enough to bring out the MESA /RJ option for their carreer path being an option for them too.

I also do not see anyone in maintenance suggesting that our reservations system be turned over to internet type operations or jobs being sent to India for pennies on the dollar either.
 

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