What the deal AMP

[Buck]

Do you have any say who the Corporation you work for chooses to donate money too? Have you agreed with all of the causes that AA supports?

AA donates to both sides of the aisle.

 

[WeAAsles]

AA donates to both sides of the aisle.

That’s not what I asked.

 

[B737 driver]

The first item is that the Line is now larger than Base Maintenance. For years the Tulsa Union members treated the Line like a child stepping on them at every turn. It was not all of the mechanics, but mostly non-A&P's. The machinists did not care for the mechanic as they have always felt threatened. Money, but a cost of living with Tulsa being the base or 0%

I would say Buck if the line actually feels they are getting screwed by both the Union and the company that will what gets the stone rolling. Just have your meetings, get everyone on the same page. This is the ONE union we are going to use, and then you guys won't get screwed by Fake cards and other Bullshit good luck!

 

[chilokie1]

Do you have any say who the Corporation you work for choses to donate money too? Have you agreed with all of the causes that AA supports?

???????? Do you give money to AA each month directly taken from your check? I dumped my COPE fund donation years ago because of the TWU's support of only Democrats & socialized health care. I would choose agency fee also if it was not such a pain in the ass to do so. Unions might get more respect from its membership if they treated Check Off the same as Agency Fee in the form of payroll deduction. I also would have also dropped out of a voluntary political contribution plan if it was run by AA because of some of the political & social views AA supports.

 

[WeAAsles]

???????? Do you give money to AA each month directly taken from your check? I dumped my COPE fund donation years ago because of the TWU's support of only Democrats & socialized health care. I would choose agency fee also if it was not such a pain in the ass to do so. Unions might get more respect from its membership if they treated Check Off the same as Agency Fee in the form of payroll deduction. I also would have also dropped out of a voluntary political contribution plan if it was run by AA because of some of the political & social views AA supports.

I’ve never argued that you should support the Political causes either your Company or your Union support. But I also know that every single Company that I pay a bill to has causes and Political agendas that they donate to and that funding comes directly from my pocket whether I like it or not.

Absolutely no different than where my Taxes go that support programs that I also might not agree with. And you have no way to completely isolate yourself from that fact.

 

[Deleted member 14439]

Do you have any say who the Corporation you work for choses to donate money too? Have you agreed with all of the causes that AA supports?

Nope, absolutely not! However I do not PAY the company to represent me.

 

[Fleetoffoot]

Another reason to stay away from the AFL-CIO. Some issues they financially support with our dues money may not be in your peronal interest. I was disappointed when the supreme Court ruling was made. I don't support this political candidate or his party. Why should money from all members support him? It's all political between unions and politicians. We as members are funding this. There are issues that can be justified by using our dues. This guy is not one of them.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/ny-pol-cuomo-csea-janus-20180628-story.html

So the AFL-CIO supports a guy who just contracted out all facility maintenance jobs at LGA and not just AA all airlines and PA

 

[Buck]

That’s not what I asked.

Ok, I was just making a statement because prior to the bankruptcy I looked into that very thing.
Ended up purchasing American and did well at the bankruptcy.

 

[WeAAsles]

Ok, I was just making a statement because prior to the bankruptcy I looked into that very thing.
Ended up purchasing American and did well at the bankruptcy.

What I’m trying to say is that we support passively all sorts of causes we might not directly prefer to support if given the choice by who we work for and all the items we purchase in life and who we purchase them from.

And a Union provides basically a product as well that even occasionally donates to things that the most staunchest of Conservatives may actually support.

 

[Buck]

I would say Buck if the line actually feels they are getting screwed by both the Union and the company that will what gets the stone rolling. Just have your meetings, get everyone on the same page. This is the ONE union we are going to use, and then you guys won't get screwed by Fake cards and other Bullshit good luck!

If we were ever competitive negotiating with SWA Mechanics we probably would be taken a direction as you suggest.. Over the years we the mechanics rode the bottom of the industry pay scale keeping a higher number of members/employees, which of course is an industry union goal to generate more dues and membership during a time of a downward run in unionism. I would say that overall the union has been very passive. The last strike was in 1968 I believe and the union made no advances.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Jim is an idiot if he does not understand his union supports the liberal left whack jobs with his dues.

How many people on this very site have denied that very thing?

 

[B737 driver]

If we were ever competitive negotiating with SWA Mechanics we probably would be taken a direction as you suggest.. Over the years we the mechanics rode the bottom of the industry pay scale keeping a higher number of members/employees, which of course is an industry union goal to generate more dues and membership during a time of a downward run in unionism. I would say that overall the union has been very passive. The last strike was in 1968 I believe and the union made no advances.

In 1968, the world was a very different place, ten years before deregulation. Back then the Airlines all contributed to a strike fund. If they could get the union to strike for 30 days, the Airline got their money back. Then magically after 30 days the contract was settled. The industrial unions played the game, and so did the Airlines. One of the guys that was on my crew retired about 4 years ago. He worked for National Airlines, as a flight engineer on B727, until they were bought by Pandemonium Pan Am. He called National Cobra Airlines, we strike at ANYTHING. I hope you guys get it together.

 

[Buck]

In 1968, the world was a very different place, ten years before deregulation. Back then the Airlines all contributed to a strike fund. If they could get the union to strike for 30 days, the Airline got their money back. Then magically after 30 days the contract was settled. The industrial unions played the game, and so did the Airlines. One of the guys that was on my crew retired about 4 years ago. He worked for National Airlines, as a flight engineer on B727, until they were bought by Pandemonium Pan Am. He called National Cobra Airlines, we strike at ANYTHING. I hope you guys get it together.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

Do you have any say who the Corporation you work for choses to donate money too? Have you agreed with all of the causes that AA supports?

The difference is I paid the UNION, American Airlines paid ME.

American Airlines spent THEIR money. The UNION spent MY money.

I know that is a hard concept for a socialist to understand.

Do you give money to AA each month directly taken from your check?

Give? Compulsory deductions are not giving.

I would say it is more like the mafia collecting pizzo. Pay up or lose your job.

I’ve never argued that you should support the Political causes either your Company or your Union support. But I also know that every single Company that I pay a bill to has causes and Political agendas that they donate to and that funding comes directly from my pocket whether I like it or not.

Absolutely no different than where my Taxes go that support programs that I also might not agree with. And you have no way to completely isolate yourself from that fact.

That is a lie. Political groups run ban lists all of the time. Chick-fil-a for instance. I myself refuse to do business with Starbucks due to them pushing leftist agendas.

Nope, absolutely not! However I do not PAY the company to represent me.

Truth.

What I’m trying to say is that we support passively all sorts of causes we might not directly prefer to support if given the choice by who we work for and all the items we purchase in life and who we purchase them from.

And a Union provides basically a product as well that even occasionally donates to things that the most staunchest of Conservatives may actually support.

Who I work for and who I buy my products from are choices I made. I will say it again, I did not put my application in the TWU, I put it in American Airlines.

The UNION does not PROVIDE a product. They FORCE it on you.

Compulsory dues are what created these issues to begin with. The UNION complains of "free riders". When dues are compulsory and the UNION has to do nothing to earn them then THEY are the "free riders"

 

[Buck]

One thing about the picture I posted, is in the past when a slogan alone or on a T-Shirt was made, certain sectors of the membership made fun of these. The cause being that the union seems powerless in the face of the International and as we are seeing now with the faction called the Association.