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[Anomaly]

I'm looking for some informed opinions on the IAM. I mean they have Boeing right? Why no interest in them?

As a former member of the IAM, their failure like amfa was internal. We begged them to remove us from single bargaining with ramp employees. It was only after the threat of changing unions did they finally comply. From then on, the system of local lodges overseen by district lodges overseen by grand lodges became too much of a hindrance. The system of Local autonomy as practiced by both the Teamsters and amfa was much more productive.

Finally, the largest degree of dissatisfaction with the IAM has to come with it's inability to conclude or follow up with contract negotiations. They have a hard time at the table, and an even harder time enforcing what the managed to win. Simply terrible at accomplishing either.

IAM served it's purpose back in the day, and still is useful in some industries. As representatives of mechanics, I chose amfa over them once before. If the choice were mine, I might seriously consider doing so again. If you know my displeasure for the association, that really says something negative about the IAM.

 

[Buck]

Don't care!

 

[Anomaly]

Don't care!

Quite evident

 

[TWU informer]

Quite evident

Tell us again how the AMT overcomes this trouble with the Teamsters?

 

[Buck]

Quite evident

No you do not understand I just no longer care that you exist on these boards. You have lied to the users and all you do is fail to answer their questions. Take your ball and go home.

 

[DNTULSA]

ama-lama-dingdong,

There oughta be a law against you coming around!

324 negatives against your posts agree with me.(you have 520 posts total)

 

[riceweevil]

No you do not understand I just no longer care that you exist on these boards. You have lied to the users and all you do is fail to answer their questions. Take your ball and go home.

Hey, Buck, sounds like your sore spot has gotten a lot bigger. This is the vey reason amfa has not filed for an election. This forum is dominated by a lot more amfa supporters who would already have the cards necessary for an election if they were handing out cards instead of spending all their spare time on this forum bashing the IBT. AMT's on the floor at TULE are more interested in what amfa can do for them instead of bashing the IBT.Slamming and name calling the IBT supporters is not going to fix the problems at AA TULE or the Line for that matter.People are interested in SOLUTIONS- Not hearing that the IBT is the devil.

 

[Anomaly]

No you do not understand I just no longer care that you exist on these boards. You have lied to the users and all you do is fail to answer their questions. Take your ball and go home.

Show me a where I lied buck. Because you lack the fortitude or intelligence to dispute my positions, does not mean I lied. You comments only tell me you lack any form of debate skills. Of your 4,888 posts, how many of them are one liners.

By the way buck, where is it that you work? I remember a few posts that make it all too suspicious that you have no idea what we do as mechanics.

 

[Anomaly]

Hey, Buck, sounds like your sore spot has gotten a lot bigger. This is the vey reason amfa has not filed for an election. This forum is dominated by a lot more amfa supporters who would already have the cards necessary for an election if they were handing out cards instead of spending all their spare time on this forum bashing the IBT. AMT's on the floor at TULE are more interested in what amfa can do for them instead of bashing the IBT.Slamming and name calling the IBT supporters is not going to fix the problems at AA TULE or the Line for that matter.People are interested in SOLUTIONS- Not hearing that the IBT is the devil.

Well spoke riceweevil. With that, I'll stand down.

 

[4A Mechanic]

Riceweevil, have you signed an AMFA card? If not, why?

 

[AA89]

Hey, Buck, sounds like your sore spot has gotten a lot bigger. This is the vey reason amfa has not filed for an election. This forum is dominated by a lot more amfa supporters who would already have the cards necessary for an election if they were handing out cards instead of spending all their spare time on this forum bashing the IBT. AMT's on the floor at TULE are more interested in what amfa can do for them instead of bashing the IBT.Slamming and name calling the IBT supporters is not going to fix the problems at AA TULE or the Line for that matter.People are interested in SOLUTIONS- Not hearing that the IBT is the devil.

If the guys you speak of come to this forum as the sole place for information on the other unions then they aren't very smart to begin with. All unions have websites and AMFA has scheduled informational meetings in Tulsa and has one scheduled next saturday near DFW.

 

[Buck]

Show me a where I lied buck. Because you lack the fortitude or intelligence to dispute my positions, does not mean I lied. You comments only tell me you lack any form of debate skills. Of your 4,888 posts, how many of them are one liners.

By the way buck, where is it that you work? I remember a few posts that make it all too suspicious that you have no idea what we do as mechanics.

You lied about the ability of the IBT or any other union opening a contract just because they gain representation.

You are correct , after reading the postings here, I do lack the debate skills. And I do make many one liners. However my points are usually made. I agree that you are very knowledgeable and can debate, but I find your position faulty. I am an AMFA supporter. I do know what mechanics do. But unlike you I do not believe that the mechanics and the industrial unionists belong together.

I am an A&P mechanic at TUL in the employment of American Airlines. I am a crew chief on a 737 heavy/light C line in Avionics. So while I have no idea what union representatives do on internet forums, I am quite familiar with most aspects of what mechanics in every area do.

And who is we?

 

[RV4]

AMT’s and Union Bashing​

Let’s get back on track today!​

Outsourcing – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have outsourcing of AMT work in their labor agreements. No Union has stopped outsourcing of AMT work in the Airline Industry.

Bankruptcy – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have been through the Bankruptcy Process in the Airline Industry. None of these unions have escaped unscathed by the Bankruptcy Laws.

Headcount Reductions- IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have suffered large quantities of headcount reductions in the last 15 years. No Union in this industry has succeeded in stopping unionized headcount reductions.

Politics – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have tried to varying degrees through political involvement from Campaign Financing, Lobbying, Grass Roots involvement. None of these Unions has succeeding in reversing the overall trend of negatives towards unionized AMT worker issues.

SO WHY CONTINUE TO BASH AND BLAME EACH OTHER?​

If all Unions are close to equal on the above standard issues that we all face in this industry and not one has been able to succeed overall in these areas. Then why do we sit around and allow these issues to be used as campaign tools to prevent the idea of change and going a different path to seek a better aviation life for the AMT? How can one Union bash the other Union over these issues when none to date has been able to claim overall and sustained victory in any one the listed areas?

HOW IS AMFA DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER UNIONS?​

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that is made up of ONLY Mechanic and Related craft and class employees.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that the AMT will always be the majority ruling group within the Union.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that has advocated ALL MECHANICS into one union since even before deregulation of the Airline Industry. This idea has still never been tried because the AMT’s allow their opinions to be swayed by the constant bashing and negative campaigning regarding the above issues.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that every penny is spent on advancing the Aircraft Maintenance Profession. The AMFA is the only Union in which every mindful thought that is expended, and every second of everyday is spent, advocating, and dedicated advancing this craft.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that has Direct Election of ALL National Officers, recall procedures for ALL National Officers, and the most importantly the compensation for National Officers is tied directly to the pay of the represented AMT.

 

[odie01]

Hey, Buck, sounds like your sore spot has gotten a lot bigger. This is the vey reason amfa has not filed for an election. This forum is dominated by a lot more amfa supporters who would already have the cards necessary for an election if they were handing out cards instead of spending all their spare time on this forum bashing the IBT. AMT's on the floor at TULE are more interested in what amfa can do for them instead of bashing the IBT.Slamming and name calling the IBT supporters is not going to fix the problems at AA TULE or the Line for that matter.People are interested in SOLUTIONS- Not hearing that the IBT is the devil.

Hey Weevil'dick,
Where do you work? The AMFA drive is kick'in ass in TUL and AFW, and as far as the line sations they're all in. TWU is through, and you know it, Sam and John are doing an excellent job supporting AMFA and we appreciate their endorsment.

 

[odie01]

AMT’s and Union Bashing​

Let’s get back on track today!​

Outsourcing – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have outsourcing of AMT work in their labor agreements. No Union has stopped outsourcing of AMT work in the Airline Industry.

Bankruptcy – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have been through the Bankruptcy Process in the Airline Industry. None of these unions have escaped unscathed by the Bankruptcy Laws.

Headcount Reductions- IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have suffered large quantities of headcount reductions in the last 15 years. No Union in this industry has succeeded in stopping unionized headcount reductions.

Politics – IAM, TWU, IBT, AMFA, all of these unions have tried to varying degrees through political involvement from Campaign Financing, Lobbying, Grass Roots involvement. None of these Unions has succeeding in reversing the overall trend of negatives towards unionized AMT worker issues.

SO WHY CONTINUE TO BASH AND BLAME EACH OTHER?​

If all Unions are close to equal on the above standard issues that we all face in this industry and not one has been able to succeed overall in these areas. Then why do we sit around and allow these issues to be used as campaign tools to prevent the idea of change and going a different path to seek a better aviation life for the AMT? How can one Union bash the other Union over these issues when none to date has been able to claim overall and sustained victory in any one the listed areas?

HOW IS AMFA DIFFERENT THAN THE OTHER UNIONS?​

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that is made up of ONLY Mechanic and Related craft and class employees.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that the AMT will always be the majority ruling group within the Union.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that has advocated ALL MECHANICS into one union since even before deregulation of the Airline Industry. This idea has still never been tried because the AMT’s allow their opinions to be swayed by the constant bashing and negative campaigning regarding the above issues.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that every penny is spent on advancing the Aircraft Maintenance Profession. The AMFA is the only Union in which every mindful thought that is expended, and every second of everyday is spent, advocating, and dedicated advancing this craft.

The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association is the only Union that has Direct Election of ALL National Officers, recall procedures for ALL National Officers, and the most importantly the compensation for National Officers is tied directly to the pay of the represented AMT.

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