USAPA Files

[BoeingBoy]

Except that a card sent in by someone that's determined to be ineligible to vote doesn't count, even if that person is on the list supplied by the company. That's where the NMB's decision on eligibility will affect the validity of cards.

Jim

 

[dariencc]

Ah, I see my fans are still begging for attention.

How did you know?

I am not aware of any such authority (and as far as I know, the IRS does not particularly care how an employer structures its labor relations), but perhaps you can enlighten me.

At least you dropped your red herring about the mechanics from your previous post, but this isn't much better. The tax ID issue is relevant because it is part of a pattern of subterfuge by the company in presenting MDA as a separate entity. Your straw man argument falsely links the IRS to the seniority issue, when the real IRS related question is this. How can two separate companies share the same ID number ? Don't worry, the counsel for the MDA pilots we already knows the answer.

One thing I am sure you did not know is that the company laundered the paychecks for MDA through a different payroll company, actually increasing the cost per employee, in order to maintain a false appearance.

Again, you would have to go first to the language of the agreements in place, and then to the intent of the parties.

You must be unaware that the issue of intent was addressed directly by none other than Jerry Glass while in deposition. Jerry stated under oath that MDA was mainline. Got that? Jerry Glass stated under oath that MDA was mainline.

Sorry, you are the USA320 of attorneys.

 

[lynyrdskynyrd]

This poster demonstrates the piloting profession has been reduced to the lowest common denominator if this is representative of anything. This has to be some kind of circus act that is for entertainment only- no other logical explanation for the repeated Kaczynski-style incoherent manifestos about nothing from this guy.

He's full of hot air. Call me crazy, but I get the impression he's actually probably fun to fly with and even more fun to drink a beer with.
Some of our junior captains out west are academy grads and fighter jocks to, for that matter so are some of our fos. He can stick that stuff in his ear.

 

[AAA73Pilot]

So since I am supposedly biased against the East MEC, explain why I am not posting that the MDA pilots have an air-tight case and will get whatver they want from the East MEC.

Because you're biased against all things involving the east. Always have been. Why is that?

 

[AAA73Pilot]

No offense, but if you didn't see that before now........

The fun will really start once the company submits the list (or lists depending on status of SBU). With the NMB having to make some determinations on validity of cards and eligibility to vote, the list(s) will undoubtedly get close scrutiny by both sides.

Jim

We knew it was coming. Didn't think ALPA was that desperate already to try and pull such a stunt.

 

[700UW]

When the IBT sent the cards into the NMB when the IAM/IBT campaign was going on the NMB actually asked for copies off all the employees signatures, which was a first.

 

[prechilill]

Those on the list but furloughed or on leave of absence are excluded. Perry Mason you are not.

Mid Atlantic pilots were all on furloughed status while flying the EMB-170. The final list sent to the arbitration panel had them correctly listed in a furloughed status. End of story.

Perry Mason was an actor. Bear is an attorney. The two professions are different.

 

[prechilill]

Because you're biased against all things involving the east. Always have been. Why is that?

Bear is objective in his posts and many readers can easily pick up on that. When you are blinded by so much emotion it may be a little more difficult to see this, however.

Question for you (again). Was Mid Atlantic Airways staffed by furloughed mainline pilots? Yes or no answer. Although, I did gain quite a bit of insight in your shell-game, where-is-the-ball-now response as well as your tremendous effort of history convolution. Needless to say I am stunned at how your pilot group completely sold out the junior guys in that MAA deal. What a complete abortion of pilot unity and it should freighten all of us on the west to be even associated with you morons now. And I use the word moron after careful consideration but I cannot think of a better demonstration of self-serving, anti-union behavior in the piloting profession as what you guys are responsible for with the MAA deal. A complete black-eye on the industry as a whole. Pathetic.

Before you claim it was the injustice brought about by your MEC leaders at ALPA (some of which are still in office today), I don't remember any of you or your ilk demonstrating in front of ALPA headquarters in protest of the MDA operation. You and many of your USAPA kind espousing unionism and "fairness for all" are nothing but a collection of hypocrites.

 

[john john]

A complete black-eye on the industry as a whole. Pathetic.

ALPA started the whole Mid Atlantic thing they allow furlough mainline pilots to fly the E170/175 seat capacity of 70-86 at express rates. Then it roll down hill for the rest of the employee groups

 

[P51Pilot]

Bear is objective in his posts and many readers can easily pick up on that. When you are blinded by so much emotion it may be a little more difficult to see this, however.

Question for you (again). Was Mid Atlantic Airways staffed by furloughed mainline pilots? Yes or no answer. Although, I did gain quite a bit of insight in your shell-game, where-is-the-ball-now response as well as your tremendous effort of history convolution. Needless to say I am stunned at how your pilot group completely sold out the junior guys in that MAA deal. What a complete abortion of pilot unity and it should freighten all of us on the west to be even associated with you morons now. And I use the word moron after careful consideration but I cannot think of a better demonstration of self-serving, anti-union behavior in the piloting profession as what you guys are responsible for with the MAA deal. A complete black-eye on the industry as a whole. Pathetic.

Before you claim it was the injustice brought about by your MEC leaders at ALPA (some of which are still in office today), I don't remember any of you or your ilk demonstrating in front of ALPA headquarters in protest of the MDA operation. You and many of your USAPA kind espousing unionism and "fairness for all" are nothing but a collection of hypocrites.

Mid Atlantic was staffed by active pilots. When the vacated Potomac Air certificate was shutdown, the company in order to salvage the operation then placed the aircraft on its own certificate and provisions of the CBA just like Metrojet or any other mainline operation were not followed, such as furlough/recall, longevity pay, benefits and accrual were not followed. The pilots going to MDA were not informed by ALPA of this change and now ALPA faces a lawsuit of 175 million. The fact that the CBA was not followed does not change the fact that the fly was covered by the mainline CBA.

 

[john john]

The pilots going to MDA were not informed by ALPA of this change and now ALPA faces a lawsuit of 175 million. The fact that the CBA was not followed does not

Did/who ALPA know? Remember they hide behind confidentiality agreement

 

[john john]

Mid Atlantic was staffed by active pilots.

If you are furlough are you active?

 

[Bear96]

The tax ID issue is relevant because it is part of a pattern of subterfuge by the company in presenting MDA as a separate entity. Your straw man argument falsely links the IRS to the seniority issue, when the real IRS related question is this. How can two separate companies share the same ID number ?

Implicit in your argument is the assumption that it is somehow legally impermissible for one company cannot have two separate seniority lists for the same craft, even if the company and a union agree to such an arrangement. Still waiting for something to back up that proposition.

One thing I am sure you did not know is that the company laundered the paychecks for MDA through a different payroll company, actually increasing the cost per employee, in order to maintain a false appearance.

The company was smart enough and so soncerned about maintaining this supposed smokescreen to do all that, yet was silly enough to have only one taxpayer ID #?

By the way, lots of companies use an outside vendor for payroll administration purposes. What was so sinister about MDA using such a company? My current employer uses one. Hmmm, it must be trying to hide something.

 

[Bear96]

Because you're biased against all things involving the east. Always have been. Why is that?

Ah, I see. So my postings on this MDA v. East dispute, where I am saying it appears to me the East side has a stronger legal footing than the MDA side, shows I am biased against the East. Got it.

 

[PA18]

That is all I was trying to find out as well. I am not a former Trump Shuttle Pilot and I understand that everyone of the Shuttle pilots had to quit Eastern in order to get hired at Trump Shuttle. So maybe the question is, What is their true DOH? Ironically, each Trump Shuttle pilot has their original Eastern DOH listed on the USAirways master seniority list.

If, however, you are a DOH advocate, why not adjust the list. Sure...I would lose some seniority, but my principle overrides my desire to be senior.

That is exactly what the AFA did.

The former Shuttle f/a's are on the US Airways list in order of their original Eastern DOH. And the former Empire f/a's still maintain their original DOH.

Apparently, the AFA believes that DOH is the right way to go, all of the time. Not just when it benefits "me" and screws the other guy, as is the case with ALPA.