US Pilots Labor Discussion 9/23- STAY ON TOPIC AND OBSERVE THE RULES

[RSVP767]

I believe there was a fourth quarter gain even if the overall year was a loss in 2004. Regardless, there is no need to quibble. AWA was growing, plain and simple. US Airways was shrinking.

Bottom line: AWA pilots would gladly spin the clock back and undo this "merger" How many US Airways pilots can honestly claim the same desire.

Me too!

 

[Pi brat]

....and you would be selling shoes, right along with Al Bundy.

Actually, I had another job lined up that I passed on because of the merger. Now you might not have been able to find another job..................

 

[nic4us]

I personally doubt that, but I could be wrong. I think he will appear telephonically.

If Wake takes the case, Seham will have to show up eventually.

But I could be relying on the misstatement of facts, and quotes severed from their context.

 

[hp_fa]

If Wake takes the case, Seham will have to show up eventually.

That's a given, but I doubt he will be there in person on 10/12/10.

Actually, based on how Judge Silver reacted to the over-length document and her reputation here in Phoenix, Seham should be considering whether or not he is better off with Wake then Silver. As another poster commented he did appear to bend over backwards to understand where Seham was coming in his arguments and objections during the previous proceedings. Silver is an unknown to him, but he has already seemed to miff her and that is never a good thing.

 

[nic4us]

I recently talked to an early member of the east NC that said this isn't true. They did look at other proposals than DOH/LOS, but the west wasn't interested. What great compromise did the west come out with when Nic sent them back?

I was told by the West NC chairman that the first thing the east said during mediation was not DOH but, "how many of our furloughed guys are you willing to let come in senior to your F/Os?" to which our response was, "oh man are these guys clueless."

I also remember reading in the transcripts of the arbitration, that in the end, when Nicolau asked for further compromise, the east went first and said they were comfortable with their DOH position, the west then responded, ( I am paraphrasing) "we are willing to entertain other ideas, but since the east has been so incredibly stuborn with their over the top proposal, we are thinking that maybe we should toughen up our stance just in case you decide to split the baby half way between our resonable request and their demands". But the West just stuck to our proposal, hoping Nicolau would fashion a reasonable compromise. Which in fact he did.

 

[Pi brat]

Which in fact he did.

Good one, thanks for the chuckle.

 

[nic4us]

That's a given, but I doubt he will be there in person on 10/12/10.

Actually, based on how Judge Silver reacted to the over-length document and her reputation here in Phoenix, Seham should be considering whether or not he is better off with Wake then Silver. As another poster commented he did appear to bend over backwards to understand where Seham was coming in his arguments and objections during the previous proceedings. Silver is an unknown to him, but he has already seemed to miff her and that is never a good thing.

Yeah, you are probably correct. If I were a betting man, I would take odds that the solitaire player (forgot his name)shows up instead.

Either judge, or any judge, is problematic when you have a losing case.

 

[A320 Driver]

I believe there was a fourth quarter gain even if the overall year was a loss in 2004. Regardless, there is no need to quibble. AWA was growing, plain and simple. US Airways was shrinking.

Bottom line: AWA pilots would gladly spin the clock back and undo this "merger" How many US Airways pilots can honestly claim the same desire.

ME!

 

[A320 Driver]

Yeah, I thought about that some more after I posted, and Metro made a comment also.

The fact is, Seham really should show up, because he would better represent his client by doing so. I expect him to be there.

I think the reason the telephone call is offered is because the original date was going to be set for Oct 7th, and Seham declined and tried to push it later in the month or even next month. Well, there are motions being considered that are due on the 7th, the company's suit is moving forward, whether it gets transfered to Wake or not. Seham was just stalling, Wake knew it and said, "well if you can't be there, call me".

I think they need to transfer it out of Arizona and let the litigation play out in someone else's neighborhood. There was a little too much hocus pocus in the last round of hearings in Wake's court. Even with Seham's shenanigans.

Just an opinion.

Driver B)

 

[hp_fa]

Yeah, you are probably correct. If I were a betting man, I would take odds that the solitaire player (forgot his name)shows up instead.

Bringle? Last I knew he was off the case and I haven't heard anything about him being newly involved with the case.

 

[hp_fa]

I think they need to transfer it out of Arizona and let the litigation play out in someone else's neighborhood. There was a little too much hocus pocus in the last round of hearings in Wake's court. Even with Seham's shenanigans.

Just an opinion.

Driver B)

The Declaratory Relief action is clearly within the jurisdiction of the Federal Court in Arizona since the company filed it and is located in Arizona. The Addington action was also clearly within its jurisdiction since the plaintiffs in that case were located in Arizona. The case that USAPA filed in NC was also properly within the jurisdiction there.

The hocus-pocus observation, IMO, is invalid. Seham caused his own problems in Arizona based upon his behavior and the tactics he employed. I really thought that he felt he could come to Arizona and use his perceived NY tactics and get away with stuff here that plainly isn't within the norms in Arizona courts. Since I haven't any experience in NY courts I can't comment on the norms there, but I suspect those same tactics would not play out well in a federal court in NY.

I have no issues with strong advocacy of a case, but there are rules that need to be followed when advocating a client's position in court.

 

[Pi brat]

The Declaratory Relief action is clearly within the jurisdiction of the Federal Court in Arizona since the company filed it and is located in Arizona. The Addington action was also clearly within its jurisdiction since the plaintiffs in that case were located in Arizona. The case that USAPA filed in NC was also properly within the jurisdiction there.

The hocus-pocus observation, IMO, is invalid. Seham caused his own problems in Arizona based upon his behavior and the tactics he employed. I really thought that he felt he could come to Arizona and use his perceived NY tactics and get away with stuff here that plainly isn't within the norms in Arizona courts. Since I haven't any experience in NY courts I can't comment on the norms there, but I suspect those same tactics would not play out well in a federal court in NY.

I have no issues with strong advocacy of a case, but there are rules that need to be followed when advocating a client's position in court.

If it is a federal court shouldn't they all operate the same?

 

[N924PS]

If it is a federal court shouldn't they all operate the same?

I suppose they should.

Just as the FAA differs from between Regions and individual FSDO's and Inspectors, it appears federal courts have a similar issue.

 

[A320 Driver]

The Declaratory Relief action is clearly within the jurisdiction of the Federal Court in Arizona since the company filed it and is located in Arizona. The Addington action was also clearly within its jurisdiction since the plaintiffs in that case were located in Arizona. The case that USAPA filed in NC was also properly within the jurisdiction there.

The hocus-pocus observation, IMO, is invalid. Seham caused his own problems in Arizona based upon his behavior and the tactics he employed. I really thought that he felt he could come to Arizona and use his perceived NY tactics and get away with stuff here that plainly isn't within the norms in Arizona courts. Since I haven't any experience in NY courts I can't comment on the norms there, but I suspect those same tactics would not play out well in a federal court in NY.

I have no issues with strong advocacy of a case, but there are rules that need to be followed when advocating a client's position in court.

Judge Wake said himself that he might have let things go too far. Maybe I'm not reading it right, but that is my perception of the remark he made. That and the fact that he got overturned on ripeness...how do you put all that aside and preside over parts of the case again? I wouldn't think he would want the controversy.

I'm just thinking out loud...

Driver B)

 

[traderjake]

ME!

You can't be serious.

Why did we sell the EMB 170s?

Because we were out of money.

That should clue you in to the precarious state was in.