US Airways to keep $200M codeshare deal with UAL - for now

[usairways85]

Oh I how I have missed this...
So the Star Alliance is going to die?

He was referring to the US/UA alliance being replaced by a transaction...merger, takeover,...

 

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Again LCC!

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If that is truly the reality (don't have time or desire to look up so I will take your word for it) then United should address that particular flight. Yes, YOU are the customer BUT so are all the other people on those planes and it is the responsibility of the Captain to ensure that they are given the best chance of reaching their destination in a timely manner. Therefore, had the Captain gone back to the gate to accomadate you and the other people who were already connecting so they didn't really care about this particular flight, and the slot was lost, then it would be his responsibility to explain why he chose to abandon his slot.

I just went to the Dept of Transportation and you are correct. US did beat UAL for ontime and I appologize for my error.

So did US finally get some inflight entertainment? Flew them last year to Bermuda and they offered nothing...NOT EVEN MUSIC!!!! :down: :blink:

 

[LCC_#1]

Again LCC!
So did US finally get some inflight entertainment? Flew them last year to Bermuda and they offered nothing...NOT EVEN MUSIC!!!! :down: :blink:

You're now just being a jackass. If you love UAUA soooo much, be gone. Go to them . We release you. I don't want your business. You are the worst of what todays customers are.

Boy what I would give for another post 9/11 on the airplanes..people who are not self-absorbed and know-it-alls...AND those that kept their GD mouth closed about things that really know NOTHING about. AND were actually nice.


Oh, I went to BDA without even music..What a whinner. IF UAUA has inflight entertainment and food on every flight in THIS environment, they'll be back in Ch. 11 as well.

MEANWHILE, APOLOGY ACCEPTED !

 

[phl f/a]

Again LCC!
So did US finally get some inflight entertainment? Flew them last year to Bermuda and they offered nothing...NOT EVEN MUSIC!!!! :down: :blink:

Yes... Now you get to play Cranium trivia

 

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So now you think "customers should keep their GD mouths shut" because you offer a lousy product? No wonder you were in bk twice. Wonder if that will happen 3 times. You know what they say, three's a charm.

I'm assuming that US still offers nothing but the stupid advertisement then shuts the whole thing down.

fyi - I didn't make a peep to the flight attendants sitting in the window seats reading their People magazines, but here I have the opportunity to voice my opinion. But I can see your outstanding attitude probably brings customers back in droves. :down:

 

[ClueByFour]

Any benefit to staying in STAR will NOT be UAUA...if there ARE actually any. Oh I forgot I can now go from Greenville, NC thru Charlotte to Bejing "seamlessly". Yeah!!

That's the entire point.

US cannot get me anywhere west of LAX. You still can't get from MKE to DEN on US in any reasonable way. UA cannot get me to PLS.

Mike Boyd is a certified idiot about some things, but he's absolutely correct in that flows like Greenville to Bejing will be the cash cows of the future. US/HP does not currently have the reach to get there. Ergo, Star.

 

[Dog Wonder]

You're now just being a jackass.

Go back to the thread for whatever airline you work for.

Quit insulting our customers

 

[US AIRWAYS FAN]

I am actually not worried about this too much and I don't think others should be either. I know US and *A will work something out. US just joined *A not very long ago. I think US will be just fine. Many reporters (and everyone knows this) try to put more drama in their stories to attact attention. I still don't think this is going to come down to just UA either. Other members of *A will have a say as other members benifit US in *A as well.

 

[az_wild727]

I am actually not worried about this too much and I don't think others should be either. I know US and *A will work something out. US just joined *A not very long ago. I think US will be just fine. Many reporters (and everyone knows this) try to put more drama in their stories to attact attention. I still don't think this is going to come down to just UA either. Other members of *A will have a say as other members benifit US in *A as well.

Of course me either! Im NOT worried at all! US/HP put a lot of money to mention STAR Alliance. STAR this, STAR that. In the JP Morgan Chase conference, STAR was mentioned at least 5 times. Besides, UA is only one of the founding members here. Its just like the UN! All of the 5 founding countires, GB, China,Russia, France and US have to agree! Remember, UA is not the only fouding member. SO is LH, SAS, NZ, AC, and some other airlines I believe. Plus other carries have there say as well! US has codeshares w/ LH,BMI, Spanair, and some other agreement with ANA! US will not leave *A at all! Besides no one serves the carribean like US. Without US, STAR has almost no Carribean service. UA? Youre kidding. Most of the flights started were either seasonal, weekly, biweekly or discontinued. Every other alliance out there has more Carribean service than UA itself. Oneworld has AA based in SJU and MIA, and BA and Iberia are still big from Europe.
Skyteam has 3 US carriersL/NW/CO. UA has almost nothing. Every Carribean route you type in on UA, even if UA flyes there, you see all US flights on ual.com

Again, like US Airways Fan said no way is US leave *, or UA will be kaput, in a very important region in North America!

 

[hp_fa]

HP_FA

This is one man's opinion. It doesn't mean I'm right or wrong. So before anyone blast me, it is my O*P*I*N*I*O*N.

With all due respect (and I mean it), check and see whom I was responding to and look at my post in that context. I am not, and was not, taking issue with your points.

 

[TheLarkAscending]

With all due respect (and I mean it), check and see whom I was responding to and look at my post in that context. I am not, and was not, taking issue with your points.

Hmmmm...hp_fa, you may have unwittingly exposed someone's doppleganger! It would appear that :wacko: may just have exposed his undercover npd self! .....Too damn funny!

 

[767jetz]

Hmmmm...hp_fa, you may have unwittingly exposed someone's doppleganger! It would appear that :wacko: may just have exposed his undercover npd self! .....Too damn funny!

Priceless!!!!!!!!!!

I've had my suspicions. Especially since one appeared here in November '05, right around the time another disappeared. Could it be they are one in the same??

 

[767jetz]

All this talk about someone kicking another out, and who will have dominance over the other is a big waste of time and quite frankly a pi$$ing contest of egos.

This is a business decision about dollars and cents.

The fact is that UA and Lufthansa created Star. The founding members have veto rights. New members must be sponsored. That's just how it works.

The code share between US & UA brought needed $ to both parties. With LCC's (US+HP) overlap with UA, it created problems. There are limitations within any codeshare as to what flights can carry the other's code. There are even contractual limitations with employees, for example the pilots, limiting the scope of a codeshare so that flying is not completely tranfered from one airline to another.

The whole point is to add to your global reach without giving away all your passengers to another airline. When there is too much overlap it creates problems for both parties.

I think both airlines want to continue the relationship if the details can be ironed out. If not, they will end the codeshare. Without the codeshare, UA will remain in Star and LCC will leave and find other options. LCC will not and can not go off on their own and establish code shares directly with other Star members. It's just not allowed.

Whatever a person's opinion is of other airlines in the Star A, it's irrellevant. This is not about kicking anyone out or getting kicked out. It's like anything else in life. If you want to join a team you have to play by their rules. If not, you can leave and go you own way. No harm... no foul.
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I will say that the speculation by USA320pilot (or whatever he calls himself now) from last year, about UA getting the boot and US becoming Star's domestic airline, was obviously one more in a long history of speculations that were dead WRONG. (see my previous response in Feb. here ) I told him then he was off base and his sources were incorrect. Once again, to his chagrin, things turned out exactly as I told him they would. How can that be? B)

Peace,
767jetz

 

[USA320Pilot]

767jetz:

Your sir a simply wrong and it’s time to put this to bed, but let me give you the facts (again).

The news media reported “Project Minnow†(UCT then the ICT) and David Bronner said in three separate interviews that he was interested in buying UAL assets for US Airways. Moreover, Dave Siegel told F/O Tim Caroe and I, on the 5th time he flew on my jumpseat, all about the ICT just prior to him leaving the company. Separately, Jake Brace flew on a US Airways Shuttle flight last winter and US Airways Captain Ken Newberry overheard him talking in first class about Bruce Lakefield just rejecting Glenn Tilton’s offer to merge last yea…when Lakefield and BOD selected AWA over UAL as US Airways’ merger partner.

Apparently Brace had just left CCY, he was extremely mad, and he was on his way to LGA to talk with UAL IB’s.

In regard to US Airways’ interest in Ted, that information came from a high level official at ALPA International.

Did any of the corporate transactions proceed? No and I never said they would. In fact, I always said maybe, maybe not, but they were very active and if SARS or the Iraqi War had lasted longer UAL would have violated its DIP financing requirements and a deal would have likely proceeded.

Why? UAL’s cash position so low an asset sale may have been the only way to survive, similar in scope to what Pan Am had to do when it sold assets, many to UAL. That is why Tilton told the AP that UAL was very close to liquidating (by the way in February 2005 US Airways was too).

I find it interesting that even though US Airways’ chairman of the board said he was interested in acquiring UAL assets, Glenn Tilton told the AP that UAL was very close to liquidating, and the news media reported there were confidential discussions between the parties on the fragmentation of UAL into US Airways called “Project Minnowâ€, you refuse to believe the discussions occurred.

Finally, two separate influential Wall Street sources told me about the potential business transaction and once they did, I then went on a hunt for confirmation, which I received and then was reported in the press.

It’s time to put this to rest, but you sir a truly clueless.

Best regards,

USA320Pilot

 

[767jetz]

It’s time to put this to rest, but you sir a truly clueless.

Dear USA-LCC-320-#1-pilot,

Blah, blah, blah. Don’t you ever have anything new to say???

You really are a character. The only one clueless here is you. You are the one who is unable to admit he is (often) wrong. That’s something you can work out with your therapist on your own time. I’m not going to waste my time.

But yes, let us put this to rest once and for all.

Which part of this are you having a hard time comprehending? It doesn’t matter who said what to whom behind closed doors, or what you heard on the jump seat. As I told you time and time again, things would not unfold the way you predicted they might, or the way any of your superiors were hoping they would.

It’s that simple. I know it burns you’re a$$ that I was right and you were wrong, but that’s just something I suggest you come to terms with.

Since you love repeating yourself, I’ll just repeat exactly what I said to you last month…

Let's be clear here. No one disputes that there were many, many topics and scenarios discussed with countless parties throughout UA's reorganization. There were also many fantasies, intentions, and wishful thinking on the part of some investors, CEO's, and even certain pilots WRT Uniteds assets. It was the probability of those discussions, ideas, and theories actually unfolding the way you speculated that was the core topic of our debate.

The bottom line is that NONE of the things you said “may or may not happen†ever did. Meanwhile EVERYTHING you were told would and wouldn’t happen by me actually unfolded exactly how I said. How can that be??? Every time I disputed your claims, you told me I was wrong, but in the end I was dead on right. I know you have a hard time coming to terms with this fact. Spin it however you want, but even you can’t argue with the final outcome.