US Airways to keep $200M codeshare deal with UAL - for now

[USFlyer]

If US leaves Star or terminates its partnership with UA, they can forget about my business.

 

[autofixer]

This goes along with the rumor I have been hearing that the UAL deal is alive and kicking in the back rooms. It is on feeding tubes and they are defibulating it every week or two, but it is still alive and has a change of making a full recovery. Dr. Rumor says it may be out of intensive care (an announcement)in late Summer / early Fall.

Also rumor control is saying 10 more 757/767s.

 

[SoftLanding]

Maybe US is going to be serious about being a LCC afterall and will leave Star.

Then maybe they will cancel their A330/A350 order. There is reason to believe the orders could die and be replaced by another transaction.

If US AIrways would leave the Star Alliance, it has to be replaced, period!

Just look at our European service, several cities would have to be dropped without Star.

Being a LCC is just fodder for dinnertable/crewroom bs. What we need is higher yields...

Does anybody really believe US Airways can go it alone? Not a chance...

And the frequent flyers comment above says it all...

 

[Art at ISP]

The question is what does one thing have to do with another? Why is US membership in Star tied to UA codeshare?

Is it not possible to have one without the other?

In my humble opinion, STAR is critical to longterm survival and growth.

 

[LD3]

How much does U make yearly from the codeshare?

 

[whlinder]

Art, yes they are tied together.

I may not have my facts exactly right since I am going from memory, but as a founding member of the Alliance UA has first right of refusal on allowing entries on other carriers who serve the same geographic region. UA said US could join provided they codeshared with each other. Kill that codeshare and UA has the right to boot US out of the Alliance. I will try to find a link to something more definitive if I have time today.

 

[RowUnderDCA]

C'mon, how does an airline executive publically speculate about consolidation among legacies, but not consider the impact on international alliances and codeshares? Answer: she doesn't.

It's all part and parcel of the suspicion that two carriers will get the consolidation band-wagon going and who knows where that will end up.

I don't suspect that LCC is considering NOT having a membership in a world-wide alliance, unless the circumstance is forced upon them. But that could happen, couldn't it?

 

[FLYAWAY]

UAL supported US's application into the Star Alliance, but UAUA now has no authority to "kick out" LCC's membership. In fact, if you remember, other members of the Star Alliance had major problems with UAL's performance and dealings during their extended Ch.11 proceedings. UAUA may be the questionable member here considering our relationships with Lufthansia and Air Canada. The statement in the press was simply more editorializing by a poorly informed "reporter".

 

[LGA / 037]

As of April 1st , the codeshare bus which links US and UA gates at LGA so customers dont have to go back through security again will be terminated. The cost per month was between $15.000.00 and $16.000.00 split 50/50 between the two carriers. the fluctuation in price is because the two airlines also covered the cost of fuel for the vendor "Golden Touch Limo."

 

[LCC_#1]

In a filing with the Securities and Exchange Commission today, Arizona-based US Airways says it is continuing its alliance with United Airlines for the time being, while the two airlines negotiate revisions to the agreement.

Well I hope part of those revisions for LCC is to ask UAUA to have the common descency and show the codeshare flights on their boards. I was in Chicago and not one US codeshare flight was listed. I did see one with an a or something stupid like that but still wasn't sure it was for US.

Out in the trenches, UAUA has no time for LCC. It shows in their either arrogance or embarrassment of something as simple as displaying US flights.

US isn't making it because of STAR, mustless UAUA. Anyone who thinks that needs to remember years of profits WITHOUT STAR. Seems like the benefactor is UAUA, just like BA before. Just give us the money but we don't want to associate with that US.

Time for US to DUMP UAUA and not the other way around.

 

[ClueByFour]

The question is what does one thing have to do with another? Why is US membership in Star tied to UA codeshare?

UA is a founding member and the sponsor of US's application, and yes they can effectively arrange for US to be booted out of Star (or, at a minimum, kybosh US from Star now claiming that they originally sponsored US East, not HP). I believe it's more a matter of "not admitting" the HP side of things (which will basically boot US out of star).

Time for US to DUMP UAUA and not the other way around.

Interesting. UA can get everywhere US can for the most part with the exception of the islands and some European destinations direct. They can shuttle traffic over FRA/MUC (LH) for the European destinations and grow their own operation at IAD for the island destinations. US, OTOH, is not going to be getting to South America, Asia, Australia, China, etc without UA and/or Star.

 

[exB717Flyer]

Nonrev'ed from LAS-ORD on AWA722 yesterday. Ran about an hour late due to LAE. FA's asked everyone to remain seated at gate so United connections to Albany could get off first. Code-share alive, well, and bizarre. (Of course, a dozen yahoos stood up and blocked the aisle anyway. What's happened to common courtesy?)

 

[LCC_#1]

US, OTOH, is not going to be getting to South America, Asia, Australia, China, etc without UA and/or Star.

SO? Let those people fly the other carriers on their own or start alliances of our own. A Luftansa doesn't HAVE to have permission to codehare with US. Neither does any other carrier for that matter, so all counties could be touched with individual codeshares.

I am just tired of the UTTER disrepect given to US in all these "alliances" where you have to go to a site list on their websites to find us. We give 100% to these alliances and they give 10%. They just want the money.

And speaking of money, UAUA isn't exactly overflowing with profits. If I was UAUA, I would be suspicious of STAR and how it really doesn't benefit THEM.

Where does UAUA go? Basically everywhere with few exceptions. Doesn't sound like STAR benefits anyone but Luftansa and ironically they are the only ones making money. HUM...Maybe it's time for UAUA to dump star and look to expand own their own and team up with US Airways more to shore up domestically.

Oh but the sky would fall if I couldn't go from Littletown USA to Bosnia. Meanwhile it's about money and right now there is NO $$$$$ benefit to either US OR UAUA....never has!

 

[FCYTravis]

there is NO $$$$$ benefit to either US OR UAUA....never has!

The hell there isn't.

Why exactly do you think US is starting non-stop service to Stockholm and Lisbon?

Hint: Stockholm is a hub for SAS. Lisbon is a hub for TAP Portugal.

Can you guess what those two airlines have in common?

If you answered "They're Star Alliance carriers," you win this RTFC coupon I have sitting on my desk.

Planes are getting leased and crews are getting hired back so that US Airways can capitalize on its transatlantic Star Alliance connections.

 

[TechBoy]

UAL supported US's application into the Star Alliance, but UAUA now has no authority to "kick out" LCC's membership. In fact, if you remember, other members of the Star Alliance had major problems with UAL's performance and dealings during their extended Ch.11 proceedings. UAUA may be the questionable member here considering our relationships with Lufthansia and Air Canada. The statement in the press was simply more editorializing by a poorly informed "reporter".

You've got to be kidding. UA's entire European operation is designed with Star in mind and is focused on pumping traffic through Star hubs on both sides of the Atlantic. US, on the other hand, is trying to grow its European operation and carry more pax on its own metal. (This may be a good business strategy, but it hardly endears US to Star partners.) And I won't even go into UA's larger size, Asia/LatAm presence, etc.