US Airways Has AA Labor Backing for AMR Takeover: Sources

[odie01]

U.S. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Ennis, said, “American Airlines has a rich history in the aviation industry. It is a homegrown Texas company and it should stay that way. AMR employs thousands in North Texas and proudly serves customers not just across our nation, but around the globe. Unfortunately, American has hit a rough spot and, like every other major airline, has been forced to enter into bankruptcy. The company is using this time to get its fiscal house in order so it emerges from this leaner and on better financial footing.”

“The American Airlines family has my complete support in its quest to remain an independent, Texas based company,” said Barton. “I am strongly opposed to any hostile takeover, and rumors to that effect only hurt AMR and its employees as they try to maneuver through the legal process. Any talks of mergers or acquisitions should wait until court proceedings are complete.”


It WAS a TEXAS homegrown company that was destroyed by corporate greed, and lie's from Carty and Fred Arpy.

Go Rangers, another ass whoppin...If Nolan was our CEO he would get rid of Horton and bring in our Jamie Moyer/ Bobbie C

 

[eolesen]

point of order....

First, AA is not "homegrown Texas"..... It was not formed in Texas.... It was formed in Illinois, moved to New York, and then moved to Texas....

Second, who the hell is Fred Arpy?...

 

[WorldTraveler]

I'm glad labor will throw their backing behind a proposed merger so the rest of the UCC can tell them that the rest of the creditors needs have to be met and LCC can't provide the $7-10B they need.
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Perhaps the whole thing will come to a head and we can move on w/ restructuring AA.

 

[odie01]

point of order....

First, AA is not "homegrown Texas"..... It was not formed in Texas.... It was formed in Illinois, moved to New York, and then moved to Texas....

Second, who the hell is Fred Arpy?...

Sorry, when I think of Arpy, Fred Flinstone comes to mind. As far as great thing's coming out of Illinois, we now have two....White Castle, and AA.

 

[AANOTOK]

Not sure how accurate these numbers are (I'm sure FWAAA can verify), but this was posted elsewhere by an AA mechanic.

"As a mechanic the us air contract looks better than what I have now not to mention what AA is proposing for the future. If US air were to take over today I would imediatly gain 5 paid holidays, 1 week of vacation, 6 paid sick days, retiree medical coverage at 55 instead of 62 or even none, an active pension, double time pay rates ,15 weeks severence in the event of a layoff with recall rights, double pay for holidays, the list goes on and on . All of these gains for about a 3% cut in pay which won't even be an issue come July when the us air mechanics get thiier next raise. Before anyone goes off about outsourcing or layoffs just remember AA'S current proposal is worse than the 50% in US Air's current contract . After alot of reserch and comparison I think AA needs to re-think their position and come along way twards labor's position to get my vote ."

 

[odie01]

I'm glad labor will throw their backing behind a proposed merger so the rest of the UCC can tell them that the rest of the creditors needs have to be met and LCC can't provide the $7-10B they need.
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Perhaps the whole thing will come to a head and we can move on w/ restructuring AA.

This would work out great for you, because your brother is a Fleet Service Clerk Crew Chief, and you are NOT an employee.

 

[odie01]

Not sure how accurate these numbers are (I'm sure FWAAA can verify), but this was posted elsewhere by an AA mechanic.

"As a mechanic the us air contract looks better than what I have now not to mention what AA is proposing for the future. If US air were to take over today I would imediatly gain 5 paid holidays, 1 week of vacation, 6 paid sick days, retiree medical coverage at 55 instead of 62 or even none, an active pension, double time pay rates ,15 weeks severence in the event of a layoff with recall rights, double pay for holidays, the list goes on and on . All of these gains for about a 3% cut in pay which won't even be an issue come July when the us air mechanics get thiier next raise. Before anyone goes off about outsourcing or layoffs just remember AA'S current proposal is worse than the 50% in US Air's current contract . After alot of reserch and comparison I think AA needs to re-think their position and come along way twards labor's position to get my vote ."

The only good thing about the US AIR/AA merger would be........too big to fail, like GM. I'm all for it. We OH all their rb 211 engines, let's keep AFW and TUL busy with thier POS planes.

 

[fltguymk]

text,
AA is not proposing wage cuts other than perhaps as revisions to freeze rather than terminate the pensions.
Labor is supporting a potential takeover in an attempt to avoid the huge number of cuts... it is highly doubtful they will be as supportive if AA continues w/ the layoffs - which is likely because the 1113 process and exclusivity are still moving forward.


That is the most uneducated post I have ever seen!

 

[737823]

Unfortunately for employees if the IAM prevails they'll likely be more concessions since the IAM started the 2002 concessions train according to Bob.

Josh

 

[TulsaTurd]

Sorry, when I think of Arpy, Fred Flinstone comes to mind. As far as great thing's coming out of Illinois, we now have two....White Castle, and AA.

Sorry to bust your burger bubble but I believe White Castle was founded in Wichita Kansas in 1921. Although they still would be delicious eating one in Illinois LoL

 

[nonrev]

Not sure how accurate these numbers are (I'm sure FWAAA can verify), but this was posted elsewhere by an AA mechanic.

"As a mechanic the us air contract looks better than what I have now not to mention what AA is proposing for the future. If US air were to take over today I would imediatly gain 5 paid holidays, 1 week of vacation, 6 paid sick days, retiree medical coverage at 55 instead of 62 or even none, an active pension, double time pay rates ,15 weeks severence in the event of a layoff with recall rights, double pay for holidays, the list goes on and on . All of these gains for about a 3% cut in pay which won't even be an issue come July when the us air mechanics get thiier next raise. Before anyone goes off about outsourcing or layoffs just remember AA'S current proposal is worse than the 50% in US Air's current contract . After alot of reserch and comparison I think AA needs to re-think their position and come along way twards labor's position to get my vote ."

As a mechanic at USAir I have to agree with you. Things are pretty quiet and do we really want to merge?.....NO...as we all know when you consolidate jobs are lost on both sides. The IAM is a fair union and they will never put AA at the bottom of the list but would slot you in by senority as it should be. Coming up with money for this consolidation is a no brainer as they have unlimited contacts for as much money as they want. They tossed like 1 billion Dollars at Delta a while back and didn't even flinch. I have noticed the lack of job postings for a while now and I bet they will be backfilled by some of your workforce. To give you an idea of the lack of hiring "Pittsburgh mechanics roughly 600 total need at least 25 years senority to exist there and nobody is under 45 years old with more and more over 65 year old workers and over 70 is starting to happen. I also have noticed where some of the layoffs are happening USAirways already has an established presence and I will bet we will loose some of our people where they decide to keep your operations. Tulsa will survive as USAirways has needed a facility in the midwest area for some time now. You will most likely see Pittsburghs work transfer to there. Our management does not like support shops and they will be gone in a blink of an eye. The lowest senority will take a huge hit but they should get rehired back in a year or two. That's the way it is from someone that has been closely watching for some time now.

 

[700UW]

Unfortunately for employees if the IAM prevails they'll likely be more concessions since the IAM started the 2002 concessions train according to Bob.

Josh

Keep posting wrong information and lies.

AA took concessions in 1983 with the "B" scale.

US filed chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2002 and the unions were forced to negotiate concessions or face a CBA abrogation.

Bob even corrected himself, so stop lying Joshie.

And AA took concessions in 2003 and they were not in chapter 11 bankruptcy.

Once again Joshie, stop posting lies and dont let the facts get in your way!

 

[ContUNITEus]

I know it doesn't matter what any of us say, but I'll still say this: For the unions at AA to be backing US Airways is a big mistake. Management at US Airways is just as horrible, if not worse than that of AA. I know everyone at AA is pissed at AA management, but US Airways will not, I repeat, WILL NOT be better towards you. US managers are big on deception and inaction. Any promise that US makes is just that, an empty promise. And the longer they can drag out fulfilling their promises, the better it is for them.

The grass in this case is not greener on the other side. I guarantee you that.

 

[BigMac]

Quite a few folks wearing USAir tees @ work tonight. Interesting

 

[etops1]

I know it doesn't matter what any of us say, but I'll still say this: For the unions at AA to be backing US Airways is a big mistake. Management at US Airways is just as horrible, if not worse than that of AA. I know everyone at AA is pissed at AA management, but US Airways will not, I repeat, WILL NOT be better towards you. US managers are big on deception and inaction. Any promise that US makes is just that, an empty promise. And the longer they can drag out fulfilling their promises, the better it is for them.

The grass in this case is not greener on the other side. I guarantee you that.

Um...ok