Us Airways Chief Turns Up The Heat

[SpinDoc]

Bobcat said:

No one knows why the CWA is talking when an
overwhelming majority of its members are on the
same page as the IAM members.

SpinDoc replies:

Because the CWA union leadership has the foresight
to understand that US is in serious trouble. If costs
cannot be lowered significantly, there will be no
US Airways and that's bad for everyone.

Oh, and by the way Bob, you'd be surprised how
many union members actually want to keep their
jobs at any cost. They just won't say it in public
because they don't want to hear the hardliners
continuous whining about shutting the place down.

 

[cavalier]

Oh, and by the way Bob, you'd be surprised how
many union members actually want to keep their
jobs at any cost. They just won't say it in public
because they don't want to hear the hardliners
continuous whining about shutting the place down.

That is a very dangerous assumption on your part as well as this management team’s because when the fat lady starts singing and after it's too late this management team will be saying, oh SH---I---T! I guess they were serious about us running this franchise but then it will be too late.

I would say based on your posts you are the caption incognito or his alter ego.

You and the captain are the ones in an altered reality because everyone else has had it, completely used up, spent, done---I think you get my drift.

 

[unit4clt]

According to the article, Mr Lakefield told the Pilots that RSA would not Bail the Company out of another chap 11 filing. Is the fact that RSA would not again put up MONEY not a GOOD THING?

And could it be that Lakefield is acting desperate because RSA has seen their investment shrink? And in bankruptcy RSA could lose CONTROL?

Lets face facts RSA really should not be in the AIRLINE Business. Their record is one of a total failure so far. They cannot even understand the most basic rule in the airline business.

U CANNOT SHRINK INTO PROFITABILITY!!!!!

 

[PITbull]

SpinDoc replies:

Oh, and by the way Bob, you'd be surprised how
many union members actually want to keep their
jobs at any cost. They just won't say it in public
because they don't want to hear the hardliners
continuous whining about shutting the place down.

Spin,

You couldn't be anymore wrong.

 

[delldude]

"there are some people who stated they would prefer another trip through bankruptcy." Representatives for both the machinists' and customer service agents have suggested that it will take a bankruptcy judge to force them to make deep concessions again.

"That just boggles my mind," Lakefield said. "Another trip through Chapter 11 could have a severe impact on our ability to maintain our current size, much less grow."

stay tuned....very shortly the MERDE WILL HIT THE VENTILATEUR.
then you'll see what shrinking into profitability really means.....check out PAN AM and see.
HOLY **** BATMAN

 

[NeedForSpeedNFS]

That is a very dangerous assumption on your part as well as this management team’s because when the fat lady starts singing and after it's too late this management team will be saying, oh SH---I---T! I guess they were serious about us running this franchise but then it will be too late.

I would say based on your posts you are the caption incognito or his alter ego.

You and the captain are the ones in an altered reality because everyone else has had it, completely used up, spent, done---I think you get my drift.

Cav... I actually think he has a point.... you cant tell me there are guys at work who would sell out the union in a NY minute if it meant keeping "THEIR JOBS"??????? <_<

 

[Prince of PAWOBs]

Once again I say..CLEAN UP YOUR OWN HOUSE FIRST.....get rid of the massive waste and mismanagement of this company before asking us to pay for your mistakes. Everyday $$$$$ are flying out the door that could be saved except for the poor job of the directives of the various departments in this organazation. And most money we take in the front door at PHL goes out the back door at the downline stations cleaning up the mess they send us everyday.

I have to agree with RobbedAgain's response to this one. I will give PHL credit though for not being anywhere near as bad as ERI, especially in the baggage rerouting department.

When PIT becomes a "focus city", do not expect them to take care of any PHL or CLT messes. Chances are good those bags are gonna come right back at you, whether they're mainline or express.

 

[Finish or Ignore]

I think the amount of agents that want to keep their jobs at ANY cost is very few. Lakefield is asking for more than he knows he will get. We are in serious trouble and middle management (VP on down) continue to mismanage this company. Some concessions are in order (but certainly not the level the company has asked for) to keep the company alive, so we can come back and fight the good fight later. I think it is the wise move for the CWA to at least talk to the company. It will also look better in front of the judge that we did. (my opinion)

Also I love the part about the PHL money in the front door and out the back! AMEN BROTHER!! I hear Uncle Al is headed that way to clean up dodge city.

 

[libertybell]

Anyone care to think that the IAM might be planning to sit down with the company after the IAM InterNational convention and a dues increase! Seems to be that InterNational is just playing its hand for time to keep its cash flow going up while it plans something different for its members.

 

[700UW]

Anyone care to think that the IAM might be planning to sit down with the company after the IAM InterNational convention and a dues increase! Seems to be that InterNational is just playing its hand for time to keep its cash flow going up while it plans something different for its members.

Dues are set at the local level. Why don't you get the correct information.

In the IAM Constitution there are FIVE (5) ways to calculate dues and your local lodge Bylaws (which you vote on) determines which way to calculate.

At my local when the concessions took effect our dues went down.

Most local lodges have it set two (2) times the wieghted hourly wage per classification.

And the Grand Lodge Convention is in October, I believe Lakefield said he wants it wrapped up by the end of summer.

So try spreading your MISinformation somewhere else.

 

[libertybell]

Thats funny because my dues keeps going up

 

[Doc]

The judge does not decide your wages, benefits and work rules.

He only rules on the abrogation and then enacts the wages, benefits and work rules the company puts in their motion.

I don’t believe that is entirely true. I will have to read up on that but it is a bit more complex than that.
Anybody want to chime in on this?

 

[insp89]

I don’t believe that is entirely true. I will have to read up on that but it is a bit more complex than that.
Anybody want to chime in on this?

Doc, I believe you're right, I also need to look into this further, If this matter -was- to be taken to the judge, I do not think that it automatically equates to contract abrogration..I seem to remember this was many of the "scare" tactics that was used during the first and the "pitiful" second vote...

 

[700UW]

The company and the union have to follow the process and if the company and union fail to reach an agreement the judge will decide on the abrogation. IF a judge abrogates the contract, he enacts the company's 1113/1114 motion which is file by the company to the court. The judge does not have the authority to modify it.

Per Sharon Levine, Bankruptcy attorney.

 

[Doc]

The company and the union have to follow the process and if the company and union fail to reach an agreement the judge will decide on the abrogation. IF a judge abrogates the contract, he enacts the company's 1113/1114 motion which is file by the company to the court. The judge does not have the authority to modify it.

Per Sharon Levine, Bankruptcy attorney.

When was the last time a judge abrogated a union contract. To the tune of 45% of their pay. I do not think it has happend..... again I think you are wrong, but I still have not had time to look into it.