US Airways Awarded Coveted 2012 MRO of the Year Award for Airline Maintenance Excellence

[SparrowHawk]

The FAA barely visits MROs, you really need to educate yourself, we have seen many planes come back from vendors with numerous issues and write ups that US' own mechanics had redo and fix properly.

When a plane is overhauled in-house its based on safety, at an MRO its based on time and money, the longer it takes, the less money the MRO gets as US has penalties built it if the plane doesnt make its ETR.

Let me let you in on a little secret. ALL business is about time and money. In house, outsourced whatever. Money talks and BS Walks

 

[700UW]

And you never seen the MRO work vs in-house have you?

This is something you dont know about.

MROs employ mostly non-licensed mechanics, US Airways doesnt.

 

[SparrowHawk]

And you never seen the MRO work vs in-house have you?

This is something you dont know about.

MROs employ mostly non-licensed mechanics, US Airways doesnt.

I don't care if they employ the tooth fairy. All I know is that no US flights have met with MTC issues that caused a loss of life in recent years.

Secondly all a license or credential proves is that you can pass a test. Doesn't mean you know your ass from third base. It means you're a good test taker.

Know what a CPFM is? Well there are TWO, count them, TWO industry groups that promote and develop standards to become a CPFM. Take a guess at what a CPFM is?

Give up? It's a Certified Parking Facility Manager.

 

[skinvalve]

Award! Yippie, where's the cake?

 

[blue collar]

I don't care if they employ the tooth fairy. All I know is that no US flights have met with MTC issues that caused a loss of life in recent years.

Secondly all a license or credential proves is that you can pass a test. Doesn't mean you know your ass from third base. It means you're a good test taker.

Know what a CPFM is? Well there are TWO, count them, TWO industry groups that promote and develop standards to become a CPFM. Take a guess at what a CPFM is?

Give up? It's a Certified Parking Facility Manager.

I bet the orals and practicals to be a copier salesman were brutal...

 

[SparrowHawk]

I bet the orals and practicals to be a copier salesman were brutal...

See that's the point. If I can earn DOUBLE what an AMT earns with a HS diploma why would I sit for my A & P License? Especially since I don't like working on equipment?

As to credentials, my Industry is heading down that slippery slope. Currently I have my CDIA+ (Certified Digital Imaging Architect) and CTT+ (Certified Technical Trainer), CIP (Color Image Professional) AND for good measure I've been hired as a Subject Matter Expert for the rewrite of CDIA+. So I'm well versed in credentials. I play the Credentials game but I'm not a big fan of them in general.

Seriously, you know how I know Sully is a qualified pilot? Not because he has a license, but because 155 people including himself walked away for a crash landing in the Hudson River.

Look credentials are nice. They get you in the door, but the truth is if you don't know a dip of horse manure from a dip of chocolate ice cream it's not going to matter. A horse is stronger and a dog is friendlier so if you can't do the work the credential doesn't or shouldn't matter.

 

[700UW]

Last time I checked you dont need a Federal License to fix copiers.

Last time I checked fixing a copier wrong didnt put lives at risk.

Last time I checked you cant go to jail for fixing a copying machine wrong.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Last time I checked you dont need a Federal License to fix copiers.

Last time I checked fixing a copier wrong didnt put lives at risk.

Last time I checked you cant go to jail for fixing a copying machine wrong.

Nope you can't. My point remains valid. Having a credential that says you are qualified to work on an airplane doesn't guarantee you can actually repair something.

As a point of order I've NEVER in nearly 40 years in the copier scam fixed a copier. It's that dirty hands thing

You can go to jail for fraud if you figure out a way to scam the leasing companies. Happened in the '80's with an outfit called Rhino Copy outside of PHL. They burned Xerox and several small ticket leasing companies to the tune of around 9 million IIRC.

All Credentials really do is establish a baseline of knowledge, skills & abilities for a particular profession/Job. Whether the person can do the work better is always an open question.

 

[700UW]

Every A&P goes to two years of schooling, and then is trained on every aircraft type and system, if they cant fix a plane, they wouldnt be working.

A pilot is trained on one plane the airline flies, a mechanic is trained on every single plane type an airline flies.

You really dont have a clue, if you think they dont know what their doing, they take people's lives in their hands every day and that is why there is system of checks and balances in the system.

Major repairs require an inspector to verify and sign off and some even require engineering approval.

Havent seen a copy repairman outside in inclement weather changing an aircraft engine under adverse conditions, now have you?

 

[CallawayGolf]

Last time I checked you dont need a Federal License to fix copiers.

Last time I checked fixing a copier wrong didnt put lives at risk.

Last time I checked you cant go to jail for fixing a copying machine wrong.

Can a person have obtain a "federal license" and still make a dangerous mistake, put lives at risk, or end up in jail for gross negligence? Does a license magically prevent all human errors from occurring and thus averting a catastrophic event?

 

[700UW]

I didnt say that, human error is always a factor, if you mess up a copy machine it doesnt cause lives to be lost.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I didnt say that, human error is always a factor, if you mess up a copy machine it doesnt cause lives to be lost.

Shows what you know! You can be electrocuted by one.

If you sit on the glass and make copies of your genitalia, the glass can break and you get to go to the ER and get a few dozen stitches, many of them in the case I'm aware of a woman wouldn't want to be stitched. That happened alot when color copiers came out.

 

[700UW]

Can 100+ people be injured or killed in one incident?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Can 100+ people be injured or killed in one incident?

Not that I'm aware of. However the truth is a certified AMT can make the same error as one who isn't and the 100+ won't be any more or less dead. I've not seen anything to indicate that the ratio of unlicensed AMT's to licensed AMT, MRO or in house as a cause of a crash. The one exception was the B1900 in CLT a few years back. That was not a US Airways Mechanic but there is no cause and effect. Just human error which can happen at 30 years or 1 year of experience.

 

[blue collar]

See that's the point. If I can earn DOUBLE what an AMT earns with a HS diploma why would I sit for my A & P License?

It doesn't take more than a HS diploma to be an a&p...
And you can earn double, good for you. Give yourself a pat on the back, it always takes a bigger man to #### on someone else's career. Since you've never been in the industry, you must not know that the pay isn't good. But, and I'm only speaking for myself, I enjoy aviation. None of us are here to be millionaires, (at least the smart ones aren't), because you won't make a whole lot of money in aviation. That is, unless you're one of those guys at the top, screwing the employees.