US Airways & AFA Reach Tentative Agreement

[Pi brat]

Pilots do not do anything for me.

I'm sorry to hear that, we must not have flown together. But I agree with you, that should be the least of your concerns. If the rest of the package is of more value than what you would lose in time protections being tied to the pilots, great. Not being tied to us will allow some to do much better, some to be drug through the mud. Hopefully the neg. committee saw our new rest rules coming and put some protections in.

Hope it's a good one, you guys deserve it.

 

[Onestep2flt]

What you know about the airline biz would fill a thimble. Go back to whining about how your first class meal was cold, that is the extent of your knowledge. If you hadn't noticed, Parker has made profits for this airline, something the east doesn't understand, seeing as they never actually had a profit. They would do much better if they could throw out the east entitlement union slugs that work harder at not working and trying to kill the airline than if they actually did their damned jobs.

The way in which this post was constructed brings a feeling of a certain arrogance about it. You choose to belittle someone that has spent quite a lot of time and money on airlines. Up until a few years ago most of that time and money was spent on US Airways from what has been discussed here over the years. You know, part of the problem with most domestic carriers and American businesses in general is that they have left the customer out of the equation. Believe it or not the airlines are still a customer service business. You are right that your airline has managed to make profits of late in a very tough economy. I will give you that. However, you give too much credit to your beloved Parker. He has happily admitted that these profits were on the backs of his employee's. We all know that the job of management in a publicly traded company is to keep costs in check and bring shareholder value. That comes up in every shareholder meeting. There is a point where they are going to have to get these costs from somewhere else other than the employee. This novel idea by your leaders is to maximize their own wealth at all costs then merge this puppy and let someone else worry about actually running the place. Look at your former leader Labor friendly "just call me Dave". He has been regurgitated back to being airline CEO for for a subsidiary of a company that now does like what, 40% of US airways flying? That's not before he wreaked havoc on the airline catering industry as well. They just keep coming back for more and you blame it on the passengers and your fellow employees! Listen, I don't have all the answers, but I am pretty sure that your blame games toward people that actually help keep the place in business have no business in this conversation.

Back on topic!

It remains to be seen what the FAs are willing to give up, if anything. If they give up being scheduled with the pilots the result will be a 20% reduction in FAs and the ones lucky enough to stay (if you can call it that) will be working more days and hours per day to make up for the shortfall. (for example, pilots will fly CLT-SEA and then go to the hotel, but the FAs will fly back to CLT and then go back to their crash pad waiting for the same quick call trip tomorrow.)

I understand what you are saying, but it does not have to be that way. They could and should have negotiated your own hours of service that still could have mimicked pretty close to other crew members rules. Just because you fly separate trips does not mean they should be able to do what they want with you. That is unless you have inept negotiators. Well, hopefully not so inept that they would not take that into serious consideration. I personally do not wish you to have to separate from the pilots on your trips. However, there was nothing stopping them from laying down some good ground rules pertaining to how it would work. Remember, this would be a concession of sorts. You should not be giving up something for nothing! They can pretty much make up anything they want as far as rules go. Why would the negotiating committee all of the sudden say it is alright for you to go all over creation. Also, why not established that once issues pertaining to other crew members were worked out that you could then rejoin co-flying.

Only the next couple of weeks will bring you closer to knowing how good or bad it really is. Until then it is only speculation. Seems that those in the know have a pretty tight noose around them right now because no leaks here yet.

 

[Phoenix]

CG is unabashedly pro company.

What CG says is from a management point of view.

CG is useful against the pilots but just another company shill.

Take CG for what he/she is worth.

Not much to us.

CG IS the company.

I thought CG was the chief of moral police.

 

[SparrowHawk]

I thought CG was the chief of moral police.

He's been reassigned!

Now he's US Airways internet version of Baghdad Bob.

 

[Move2CLT]

He's been reassigned!

Now he's US Airways internet version of Baghdad Bob.

You do remember that you still don't work at US Airways, right?

 

[SparrowHawk]

You do remember that you still don't work at US Airways, right?

I'm aware of that. But thanks for reminding me.

Ever use a Copy Machine?

Ever make a comment about it?

Well I've been in the Office Products arena since 1980 with Xerox.

Ever work there?

If not then STFU about Copiers.

See how stupid your comment is?

It does have the unbridled arrogance of some pilots and most executives in your industry.

 

[Move2CLT]

I'm aware of that. But thanks for reminding me.

Ever use a Copy Machine?

Ever make a comment about it?

Well I've been in the Office Products arena since 1980 with Xerox.

Ever work there?

If not then STFU about Copiers.

See how stupid your comment is?

It does have the unbridled arrogance of some pilots and most executives in your industry.

Yes, I have used a copy machine and yes I've made comments on it.

But I don't pretend that I work for the manufacturer of the copy machine nor do I make comments about the CEO of said company.

See how you need to move on from these threads. You don't belong here.

 

[SparrowHawk]

You don't belong here.

I "belong" any place i choose to go! It's called individual Liberty and i exercise it daily. Don't like it? Tough Darts. Further CEO's are legally and by definition public figures. Ursula Burns is widely credited with much of the success my former employer Xerox has today. She does not generate a profit off the employees back. Ergo a compare and contrast between her and Doug would be appropriate in their roles as CEO's whether I had a vested interest or not.

Over the years I've made many friends who work at US, So I will speak my mind until US gets a restraining order or Obama suspends the 1st Amendment.

Which Company is held in higher regard in the public's eye? Are you proud when asked by a stranger to say "I work for US Airways" or do you say "I work in the airline industry".

 

[700UW]

Actually Kevin, who owns this board, can kick anyone he wants off or censor anyone.

A company, a business or anyone can restrict your speech and its perfectly legal.

The first amendment only protects the government from restricting your speech.

And can you yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater when there isnt with out being arrested?

Can you curse on regular TV and get away with it or on public radio?

Your thoughts of having individual liberties and freedom of speech is a sense of false reality, because no one really does have them, now do they?

 

[CallawayGolf]

He's been reassigned!

Now he's US Airways internet version of Baghdad Bob.

Baghdad Bob became a household name for blatantly and brazenly denying the objective truth that the world could see and verify that he was speaking unmitigated lies. Can you find any such examples in my posts? Be specific please.

Thanks.

 

[HPearlyretiree]

. Look at your former leader Labor friendly "just call me Dave". He has been regurgitated back to being airline CEO for for a subsidiary of a company that now does like what, 40% of US airways flying?

Not my leader, I worked for the good airline that acquired USAirways and took their awful name.

 

[700UW]

Really acquired US, I doubt it, who raised the money? Who approached who?

How many times does this have to be rehashed?

Read it and learn

And dont let the facts get in your way!

A good airline?

HP filed chapter 11 years before US did.

The FAA was minutes away from shutting you down over maintenance issues.

The FAA stopped the growth of HP and if HP wanted to add a route or a new plane the FAA had to approve of it.

And what the night Franke laidoff majority of mechanics.

Yep thats a real good airline, not!

 

[usfliboi]

Really acquired US, I doubt it, who raised the money? Who approached who?

How many times does this have to be rehashed?

Read it and learn

And dont let the facts get in your way!

Here is what i have heard from two folks connected to negotiations. Ill start by saying the official word is...There is" no word" however with that said ..Here is what I have heard...

Highlights...

3 year duration
$48.72 DOS (Top) $52.00 (third year)
Most scope in tact however No furlough clause removed
Pref bidding Projected to begin in 18 months)
F/A and pilots no longer paired Bid sheet remains.
Me too gone however both above can be reopened once Pilots have an agreement

Merger protection for majority

10:15 "Pure rest" minimum rest (up from 9:15)

Sick policy remains same however paid at 100%
Weekend touch gone holiday remains

Reserve minimum from 15% to 10%
Resevre bucket system remains same however passing allowed.
Fence built for PHX in terms of
F/A's who remain in Phx concerning Postions allotment East positions will remain the same ( Positions determined on aircraft)

Vacation system (Sorry I forgot what was said)

Sorry if i forgot anything and again this could be rumor however both I spoke too seemed confident of information. We will see soon!

 

[SparrowHawk]

Really acquired US, I doubt it, who raised the money? Who approached who?

How many times does this have to be rehashed?

Read it and learn

And dont let the facts get in your way!

A good airline?

HP filed chapter 11 years before US did.

The FAA was minutes away from shutting you down over maintenance issues.

The FAA stopped the growth of HP and if HP wanted to add a route or a new plane the FAA had to approve of it.

And what the night Franke laidoff majority of mechanics.

Yep thats a real good airline, not!

He just makes that comment to rattle the cage of the people who actually have a clue as to what really happened. Typical troll and not a very imaginative one either.

 

[Move2CLT]

Really acquired US, I doubt it, who raised the money? Who approached who?

How many times does this have to be rehashed?

Read it and learn

And dont let the facts get in your way!

A good airline?

HP filed chapter 11 years before US did.

The FAA was minutes away from shutting you down over maintenance issues.

The FAA stopped the growth of HP and if HP wanted to add a route or a new plane the FAA had to approve of it.

And what the night Franke laidoff majority of mechanics.

Yep thats a real good airline, not!

OK. Now lets talk accidents.

No? That's what I thought.