US Airways & AFA Reach Tentative Agreement

[BMIBABYgirl737]

OK. Now lets talk accidents.

No? That's what I thought.

Let's talk about accidents? Really? What do a series of accidents back in the late 80's early 90's have to do with our TA? I rarely post here, but this is the AFA TA thread. Stop with the East vs. West, and pilot nonsense. Thank you.

 

[Harry Callahan]

OK. Now lets talk accidents.

No? That's what I thought.

WTF

 

[SparrowHawk]

OK. Now lets talk accidents.

No? That's what I thought.

One of the things I like about these boards is they are pretty open regarding what is said here and censorship is at a minimum.

Discussing fatal crashes in the context of this type of thread to me is off limits. For one it's a bit of a cheap shot and is at best insensitive and disrespectful of those who lost their lives in the crashes you're alluding to. Not to mention their friends and loved ones.

If you want to be Sh*tty about it why not discuss the two convicted drunken pilots from a certain airline?

You have to remember that HP was nearly grounded by the FAA and to my understanding the relationship was rancorous right up until the merger when US decided to keep Al Crellin on due to his relationship with the FAA. You'll note that shortly after the single operating certificate was granted Mr Crellin was quietly put out to pasture.

Neither airline was run all that well pre-merger as we have multiple BK's, Near Groundings, Crashes, ATSB loans and on it goes through the pilot dispute to this very day. The airline is a mess and has been for quite some time. Doug to his credit has done some good things especially on the cost side. A lot of the profits are smoke and mirrors.

Truth is that if you need to pay industry lagging wages, lard on half a billion in fees just to become a profit laggard then something is wrong at the top,

 

[diamondcutter]

One of the things I like about these boards is they are pretty open regarding what is said here and censorship is at a minimum.

Discussing fatal crashes in the context of this type of thread to me is off limits. For one it's a bit of a cheap shot and is at best insensitive and disrespectful of those who lost their lives in the crashes you're alluding to. Not to mention their friends and loved ones.

If you want to be Sh*tty about it why not discuss the two convicted drunken pilots from a certain airline?

You have to remember that HP was nearly grounded by the FAA and to my understanding the relationship was rancorous right up until the merger when US decided to keep Al Crellin on due to his relationship with the FAA. You'll note that shortly after the single operating certificate was granted Mr Crellin was quietly put out to pasture.

Neither airline was run all that well pre-merger as we have multiple BK's, Near Groundings, Crashes, ATSB loans and on it goes through the pilot dispute to this very day. The airline is a mess and has been for quite some time. Doug to his credit has done some good things especially on the cost side. A lot of the profits are smoke and mirrors.

Truth is that if you need to pay industry lagging wages, lard on half a billion in fees just to become a profit laggard then something is wrong at the top,

Ok now back on topic....take this somewhere else.

 

[SparrowHawk]

Ok now back on topic....take this somewhere else.

It is kind of on topic when you look at the mindset of those running the airline. When you have to pay industry lagging wages just to keep the doors open something is wrong. This "wrong" manifests itself in many ways, like the attempt to drive Senior people out by using the discipline system. It shows in FAA near grounding of an entire airline, etc etc.

The manner in which the airline is managed has a direct effect on your ability to gain a decent contract. I do however get your point and speaking for me I'll try to do a better job staying on a more focused point.

 

[Move2CLT]

Let's talk about accidents? Really? What do a series of accidents back in the late 80's early 90's have to do with our TA? I rarely post here, but this is the AFA TA thread. Stop with the East vs. West, and pilot nonsense. Thank you.

What do MX issues over a decade ago have to do with the TA as well?

I agree, it should never have come up. I wouldn't have had to follow up with that reality.

Oh, and btw, those accidents/incidents continued well not the merger.

 

[Move2CLT]

One of the things I like about these boards is they are pretty open regarding what is said here and censorship is at a minimum.

Discussing fatal crashes in the context of this type of thread to me is off limits. For one it's a bit of a cheap shot and is at best insensitive and disrespectful of those who lost their lives in the crashes you're alluding to. Not to mention their friends and loved ones.

If you want to be Sh*tty about it why not discuss the two convicted drunken pilots from a certain airline?

You have to remember that HP was nearly grounded by the FAA and to my understanding the relationship was rancorous right up until the merger when US decided to keep Al Crellin on due to his relationship with the FAA. You'll note that shortly after the single operating certificate was granted Mr Crellin was quietly put out to pasture.

Neither airline was run all that well pre-merger as we have multiple BK's, Near Groundings, Crashes, ATSB loans and on it goes through the pilot dispute to this very day. The airline is a mess and has been for quite some time. Doug to his credit has done some good things especially on the cost side. A lot of the profits are smoke and mirrors.

Truth is that if you need to pay industry lagging wages, lard on half a billion in fees just to become a profit laggard then something is wrong at the top,

Who said anything about fatal crashes SH? Why do you bring that up?

I was referring to the accidents since the merger occured. TPA, BDL, etc.

 

[diamondcutter]

It is kind of on topic when you look at the mindset of those running the airline. When you have to pay industry lagging wages just to keep the doors open something is wrong. This "wrong" manifests itself in many ways, like the attempt to drive Senior people out by using the discipline system. It shows in FAA near grounding of an entire airline, etc etc.

The manner in which the airline is managed has a direct effect on your ability to gain a decent contract. I do however get your point and speaking for me I'll try to do a better job staying on a more focused point.

It's the f/a's TA and has nothing to do with a pax. FA's as a group are very very concerned about this topic . Frankly posting what we get make ect is not appropriate . Pax would rather we make less to make up for the rising cost of fuel. Many never complain as the fill up their big SUV, but freak out when cost 200.00 rt to fla. popcorn and coke at a movie hmmm.

 

[SparrowHawk]

It's the f/a's TA and has nothing to do with a pax. FA's as a group are very very concerned about this topic . Frankly posting what we get make ect is not appropriate . Pax would rather we make less to make up for the rising cost of fuel. Many never complain as the fill up their big SUV, but freak out when cost 200.00 rt to fla. popcorn and coke at a movie hmmm.

Well I would not be among them. I want those who take care of me on board to be paid well enough to make my trip as pleasant as possible. I also want them trained well enough that in the event of an emergency they know what to do. Frankly my life may be dependent on you one day. A day we all hope never comes. You go back through my posts and you'll notice i almost NEVER complain about fares other than the odd comment regarding price gouging on monopoly routes

Face it, the ONLY thing 100% within an airlines control is how they treat Customers. Well paid, engaged and involved front line staff are often the only differentiators and one only need look at WN to see what I mean.

So are you planning on voting this contract down?

 

[Beancounter]

Here is what i have heard from two folks connected to negotiations. Ill start by saying the official word is...There is" no word" however with that said ..Here is what I have heard...

Highlights...

3 year duration
$48.72 DOS (Top) $52.00 (third year)
Most scope in tact however No furlough clause removed
Pref bidding Projected to begin in 18 months)
F/A and pilots no longer paired Bid sheet remains.
Me too gone however both above can be reopened once Pilots have an agreement

Merger protection for majority

10:15 "Pure rest" minimum rest (up from 9:15)

Sick policy remains same however paid at 100%
Weekend touch gone holiday remains

Reserve minimum from 15% to 10%
Resevre bucket system remains same however passing allowed.
Fence built for PHX in terms of
F/A's who remain in Phx concerning Postions allotment East positions will remain the same ( Positions determined on aircraft)

Vacation system (Sorry I forgot what was said)

Sorry if i forgot anything and again this could be rumor however both I spoke too seemed confident of information. We will see soon!

Forgive me, but I'm not an FA. Is this bad, good, or so so?

 

[SparrowHawk]

Who said anything about fatal crashes SH? Why do you bring that up?

I was referring to the accidents since the merger occured. TPA, BDL, etc.

Because you always do!! Now go backpedal over to the pilot thread. DiamondCutter is correct. This is not a pilot thread.

 

[ebwgs]

Forgive me, but I'm not an FA. Is this bad, good, or so so?

Remains to be seen.

 

[Move2CLT]

Because you always do!! Now go backpedal over to the pilot thread. DiamondCutter is correct. This is not a pilot thread.

And this is not an FF thread AND you don't work here.

 

[SparrowHawk]

And this is not an FF thread AND you don't work here.

The ToS of the site do not state I have to be an employee of any airline. Now back to the pilot thread with you. Bye, Don't let the door hit ua where the Good Lord split ya!

 

[ggiby]

One of the things I like about these boards is they are pretty open regarding what is said here and censorship is at a minimum.

Discussing fatal crashes in the context of this type of thread to me is off limits. For one it's a bit of a cheap shot and is at best insensitive and disrespectful of those who lost their lives in the crashes you're alluding to. Not to mention their friends and loved ones.

If you want to be Sh*tty about it why not discuss the two convicted drunken pilots from a certain airline?

You have to remember that HP was nearly grounded by the FAA and to my understanding the relationship was rancorous right up until the merger when US decided to keep Al Crellin on due to his relationship with the FAA. You'll note that shortly after the single operating certificate was granted Mr Crellin was quietly put out to pasture.

Neither airline was run all that well pre-merger as we have multiple BK's, Near Groundings, Crashes, ATSB loans and on it goes through the pilot dispute to this very day. The airline is a mess and has been for quite some time. Doug to his credit has done some good things especially on the cost side. A lot of the profits are smoke and mirrors.

Truth is that if you need to pay industry lagging wages, lard on half a billion in fees just to become a profit laggard then something is wrong at the top,

Thank you.... good post. I think that he is not caring about those who have lost their lives.The AW Pilot is quite arrogant .... I guess he got bored on the pilot board cuz there are only three guys on that thread. I guess they got tired of insulting each other and Move 2 decided to come to this board, as the topics were not as slow here, as on his thread. If you ignore him and don't reply maybe he will go back to his rock that he came out from!