Ummm, Don't Look Now

[Fly]

Solidarity goes to the TW flight attendants, and the willmar 8. Both up against insurmountable odds. APFA just did it a bit smarter and safer. A short strike that had a start and end. A strike that didn't allow time for any replacements. No reason everyone couldn't participate.

Yes, we can see how well that has served them....THEN. How many TWA flight attendants are working now? F up the system, seems to work better....NOW. Remember in recurrent they used to tell us to be "nice" to the hijacker? That doesn't work either.

Times have changed and so has the striking system.

 

[local 12 proud]

The flight attendants have already given NWA more than enough time to prepare for a strike.

Yea SCAB we see how well preparing for a strike helped NWA with the mechanic replacement...

You could'nt hang wrench bender, your 'band of gypsy brothers' are leaving like african hyena's that just stripped a gazzelle carrion.

 

[Hackman]

The flight attendants have already given NWA more than enough time to prepare for a strike. If you guys are going to strike do it now. Waiting fifteen days is only going to make matters worse for the flight attendants and buy time for NWA to stage the Scab F/As they have already trained. Time is against the F/As and has been for a while now.
any flight going to MEM, DTW, MSP. In that order, starting with the largest cities to the smallest. If they can't figure that out in the first few minutes they are in trouble already.

Did anyone ask for any advice from a scab? No? Would anyone take any advice from a scab? No again.

Be gone with your vile self 'Cods. Nobody wants your advice. :down: :angry: :down: :angry:

 

[PlayTheOdds]

You could'nt hang wrench bender, your 'band of gypsy brothers' are leaving like african hyena's that just stripped a gazzelle carrion.

Don't confuse my search for greener pasture with not being able to hang. Also don't forget that everything I have predicted on these boards has come to pass. You shouldn't be so quick to discredit me just because I am on the opposite side. I have already said that if NWA didn't make some adjustments the Scabs will leave. NWA failed to make the necessary adjustments and the Scabs are leaving. So quit acting as if this is news to me.

Yes purduepete that is rich. Especially from someone that has hung out on both sides of the fence.

Once again NWA F/A's time is not on your side. Time can only help NWA prepare and render void any labor action on your part. The thirty day cooling off period the mechanics allowed NWA was all NWA needed to push hundreds of mechanics through their Scab School. Don't think for a minute that any of the next fifteen days will be spent by NWA doing anything other than preparing for your demise

 

[jenny@nw]

Don't confuse my search for greener pasture with not being able to hang. Also don't forget that everything I have predicted on these boards has come to pass. You shouldn't be so quick to discredit me just because I am on the opposite side. I have already said that if NWA didn't make some adjustments the Scabs will leave. NWA failed to make the necessary adjustments and the Scabs are leaving. So quit acting as if this is news to me.

Yes purduepete that is rich. Especially from someone that has hung out on both sides of the fence.

Once again NWA F/A's time is not on your side. Time can only help NWA prepare and render void any labor action on your part. The thirty day cooling off period the mechanics allowed NWA was all NWA needed to push hundreds of mechanics through their Scab School. Don't think for a minute that any of the next fifteen days will be spent by NWA doing anything other than preparing for your demise

is your name Terry Tripler?

 

[local 12 proud]

Don't confuse my search for greener pasture with not being able to hang. Also don't forget that everything I have predicted on these boards has come to pass. You shouldn't be so quick to discredit me just because I am on the opposite side. I have already said that if NWA didn't make some adjustments the Scabs will leave. NWA failed to make the necessary adjustments and the Scabs are leaving. So quit acting as if this is news to me.

Greener pasture?...

You admitted on this board for all to see that 'NWA was the best job you ever had' but you chose to quit in order pursue other ventures like fishing and honey do's. I don't need to discredit you SCAB, you seem to do it yourself in a grand fashion.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

is your name Terry Tripler?

No it is not. Or is this some joke that I am missing?

 

[jenny@nw]

Here's some company email:

From: IFCREW - INFLIGHT CREW OPERATIONS
To:
Sent: 31JUL06 21:50 GMT
Subject: Failed Tentative Agreement


To: All Flight Attendants
From: Doug Steenland
Date: July 31, 2006


The Tentative Agreement reached between the AFA and NWA on July 17, 2006, has
failed to be ratified by a majority of flight attendants. Unfortunately,
circumstances now dictate that the Company reject the existing Flight
Attendant Agreement and impose the March 1, 2006, Tentative Agreement as
authorized by the Bankruptcy Court on June 30, 2006. This change becomes
effective today, July 31, 2006.

I wanted to provide you with some context for this rejection decision, and
also update you on what you can expect over the next several days.

First, this was a result that the Company hoped to avoid. Throughout the
negotiating process, first with the PFAA and then with the AFA, our goal
remained to reach a consensual agreement and thereby avoid rejection of the
contract. However, after two failed Tentative Agreements, it is clear that
there are no easy or quick ways to reach this goal and at the same time
achieve the total labor cost savings which NWA needs to successfully emerge
from bankruptcy. These surrounding circumstances, and the Court’s ruling, now
require implementation of the March 1st Tentative Agreement for the following
reasons.

After filing Chapter 11 in September 2005, the Company set specific labor cost
reduction targets for each employee group, including management. These labor
costs savings totaled $1.4 billon annually; the amount determined by the
Company, and agreed to by the Bankruptcy Court, to be a necessary part of a
viable five year business plan.

Management experienced two rounds of cuts, first in December 2004, and then in
December 2005, hitting the necessary target.

The Company also negotiated with each of its unions to achieve their targets
through voluntary agreements. In November 2005, it reached permanent ratified
agreements with ATSA, NAMA and TWU. As those agreements became effective on
November 16, 2005, the Company also implemented emergency temporary relief
measures with the IAM, ALPA and PFAA. The temporary relief, however, provides
only 60% of the necessary savings amount.

Negotiations continued into 2006, before, during and after trials in New York
City on the Company’s motions to reject its labor agreements. As of June 9,
ratified agreements had been reached with ALPA and the IAM which provide the
targeted savings. Those agreements, however, contain language that prevents
the Company from implementing the agreed-to savings until the necessary
savings targets have been achieved from all groups, including the flight
attendants.

The need to proceed with restructuring, and to realize the savings which have
already been delayed, means that the Company must now go forward with
unilateral imposition of the March 1 Tentative Agreement pursuant to the
Court’s order. Vice President – Inflight Services, Suzanne Boda, will provide
you with specific information regarding initial changes within a few hours.
The ALPA and IAM agreements will also be implemented today.

Some things will not change, however. Bidding will still be accomplished
through the use of seniority. Reductions in force, when necessary, will still
take place in reverse seniority order. Many other work rules will also remain
in place.

I regret that we were unable to resolve the required flight attendant savings
through a consensual agreement at this time. I know there is a great deal of
tension and uncertainty on the line. I have personally observed, however,
that the circumstances have not affected the level of service you provide to
our customers, and I thank each of you for your continued professionalism.
Although imposition is necessary now in order to secure the successful
restructuring of the airline, we will continue to make every effort to reach a
new agreement with your elected representatives as quickly as possible.

 

[robbedagain]

Did anyone ask for any advice from a scab? No? Would anyone take any advice from a scab? No again.

Be gone with your vile self 'Cods. Nobody wants your advice. :down: :angry: :down: :angry:

no cant recall anyone wanting "advice" from a rotten scab.

hey pto, since scabs are leaving in droves, that will make it much more harder for the ones that are left, if any, to maintain a fleet of scab air planes. Sounds like a grounding may be coming

good luck to all of you UNIONIZED F/As. As a ramp/ops agent with PI, I wish you all the best

 

[FCYTravis]

Waiting fifteen days is only going to make matters worse for the flight attendants and buy time for NWA to stage the Scab F/As they have already trained.

The whole point of CHAOS is that it doesn't matter how many replacement workers the company manages to round up - they can't possibly have them everywhere all at once. So AFA strikes every other flight from the even-numbered gates in Concourse B at MSP between 7 and 9 a.m. on Monday. Or they strike the first flights in from the outstations in the morning, leaving DC-9s and A320s stranded in Fargo, Tampa and Albuquerque. Knock the first flight of the day an hour off and you've just started a domino effect that might not end until that aircraft lands at its RON location... if it's scheduled on a red-eye, not even then!

With aircraft utilization being what it is, and hot spares being pretty much nonexistent, CHAOS seems to be a pretty nifty way of royally screwing up those finely tuned airline schedules and creating, well, chaos in terminals around the country.

It's certainly worth a shot.

 

[PlayTheOdds]

Greener pasture?...
You admitted on this board for all to see that 'NWA was the best job you ever had'

I see once again local that you have mastered in the ability of not understanding. My statement was not made in regards of monetary value but in the dynamics of the job itself. I could careless if they paid minimum wage or a hundred an hour. Working line for an airline as far as I am concerned is the creme of the crop of aviation jobs. As for pay I make more money as a contractor at 22 an hour than I do as a direct for 27 an hour. As a direct with NWA my take home pay was about $760.00 a week. When I return to work, which will be in about two weeks my take home pay will be around $1,100.00 a week. Not to mention I get months off at a time. I know you hate my life style but I kind of like it. I have had a great summer so far. How has yours been local?

 

[Nor'Easta]

If you need assistance at LGA/JFK please post it. You have my solidarity! UNITY PAYS!


From the MEC...

July 31, 2006

Dear Flying Partners:

Northwest management pushed too far. Today you took part in an historic vote. By voting down this second Tentative Agreement you voted to reject the bankruptcy laws that encourage executive greed at the expense of the frontline workers who built Northwest Airlines. A majority of votes cast by Northwest Flight Attendants rejected the second Tentative Agreement for $195 million in annual Flight Attendant concessions for five and half years, which for each of us would mean between a 30 and 40 percent cut in pay and benefits. By your vote you have said all that needs to be said: ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Today, we began to take control. It's imperative, now more than ever, that we act as one. Remain calm, confident and committed to our collective efforts to achieve the best results for Flight Attendants. You can expect that management will act on the Bankruptcy Court ruling to reject our contract and impose new wages and work rules. This will trigger our right to strikes, which are legal under the Railway Labor Act in response to unilateral changes imposed by management.

Our legal experts are already working to address all avenues for protecting our contract and minimizing the impact of any imposed working conditions. We will immediately put in place CHAOS expos and trainings across the system as the 15-day clock begins to tick towards the day that the first CHAOS strike may be called. The previous Union agreed with the Company and stipulated to the Court that we would provide management with 15-days notice before calling a strike. We will provide management with that notification the minute they implement their imposed work rules. Do not be concerned with the 15-day notice; that will simply give us time to make sure every passenger knows to expect CHAOS.

Do not take action on your own. CHAOS is precisely executed and strategically planned to minimize the risk to Flight Attendants while maximizing the impact on management. More information about this powerful campaign and strike strategy will be thoroughly communicated in the coming days. We will keep you informed every step of the way. Only take CHAOS strike action upon official direction of the Union after the 15-day notice period.

Let us be clear: we turn to only as a last resort, and as a means to force management to meet with us to find different, more acceptable resolution at the bargaining table. Management must avoid the temptation to exploit the Bankruptcy Court ruling following the 1113© hearing. That ruling was predicated on demands by Northwest management that are clearly unacceptable, predetermined largely by the actions of the previous union, and ordered by the court before AFA-CWA came to the property. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.

Flight Attendants are dedicated to the success of our airline, but we cannot accept the overreaching demands of management. We will not tolerate the harm these concessions would inflict on our families. The path we have chosen is a difficult one, but we deserve better. The company has already returned to profitability and the executives of this airline are standing in line for huge bonuses at the expense of the employees. We will not allow that to happen without a fight.

We will not rest until every option is explored in protecting the well-being of Northwest Flight Attendants. Your participation and vigilance in remaining informed will be crucial to our collective success. Sign up for e-mail newsletters, listen to the Hotline message at 1-800-424-2401, dial 1 and extension 170#, or check our website, www.nwaafa.org frequently.

The true strength and power of the Union lies with you - with all of us, together - and like never before, we must gather that strength together within AFA-CWA.



In Solidarity,

Mollie Reiley
MEC Interim President


Danny Campbell
MEC Interim Vice President


Shawn Fivecoat
MEC Interim Secretary-Treasurer

 

[PlayTheOdds]

The whole point of CHAOS is that it doesn't matter how many replacement workers the company manages to round up - they can't possibly have them everywhere all at once...It's certainly worth a shot.

Indeed it is worth a shot. Implement it now not later. Whether you go on a full fledged strike or use CHAOS, which I think CHAOS is a better idea, implement it now not in fifteen days. The point is, TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE. What ever you guys choose to do, do it NOW.

I think if the mechanics had done something like CHAOS other than just walking out things would have been a bit different. Once you leave the property you lose all control of the fight. You simply become a bystander hoping for the best.

 

[flytchick]

Let it be clear to ALL NWA F/A the court is on your side. CHAOS will do what it is suppose to do and you are covered. Tell management that you are not going to take ANY more of their bs. We stand behind you and will do everything to support you. In solidarity - A USAir F/A.

 

[Nor'Easta]

Indeed it is worth a shot. Implement it now not later. Whether you go on a full fledged strike or use CHAOS, which I think CHAOS is a better idea, implement it now not in fifteen days. The point is, TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE. What ever you guys choose to do, do it NOW.

I think if the mechanics had done something like CHAOS other than just walking out things would have been a bit different. Once you leave the property you lose all control of the fight. You simply become a bystander hoping for the best.

Hmmm...Very interesting comments from our resident SCAB. A SCAB telling an organized group on how to strike. What you need to do is sit back, watch and see how real UNIFIED UNION MEMBERS show a company ENOUGH is ENOUGH!

A perfect employer for a SCAB like you: SCAB EMPLOYER