UA transfers its two DAL (Love Field) gates to Southwest; Is DL out?

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metopower said:
You just don't get it. As long as WN is not flying into a DL hub (msp dtw sea ) and DL can't compete against them things remain the same. You must wait to be harmed.
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I guess you dont get it, look at the link JCW provided, DL has already lost out on flights at DAL, LGA and DCA.
 
no, meto does get it.

DL hasn't lost anything and WN has made very sure it hasn't.

DL was never guaranteed it would get the 2 gates. DL did argue and has been successful in arguing it has a right to be at DAL.

DL has not been harmed.

if DL is forced out, it has a case that it has been harmed.

an antitrust case doesn't require that DL or any other prove that it has been harmed.

DAL is still way more concentrated than any other airport even close to its size.

DL is just not willing to start a case because a larger WN at DAL means more problems for AA.

DL has undoubtedly communicated its concerns about how concentrated DAL has become, esp. in light of WN's success at gaining increased access to DCA and LGA thru two transactions that forced legacy carriers to give up access even though none of the legacy carriers controls anywhere near as close to as much of any airport as WN does of DAL.

again, let me know when WN or DAL succeeds at DAL and DL doesn't act. that is when I will have been proven wrong.

and let me know when WN gets access to even more of DAL without other carriers also getting a larger share as well.
 
It lost 18 flights a day they put up for sale and never flew one of those flights.
 
it lost nothing because they never operated.

further, DL did in fact start DFW-LAX flights which are doing well and the ATL-DAL flights are doing well on 717s as well.

DL is flying 55% of the proposed seats it proposed to add from DAL.

the rest of them have been added in AA hubs from LAX, MIA, and PHL.

you do realize that DL has added/will add 3 longhaul int'l flights from AA hubs, don't you?
 
Exactly - nothing loss
 
Just propaganda via a press release on service DL could never fly because it never had the gates
 
Well, there was a loss of face... DL promised something and put flights out for sale that they couldn't deliver on.
 
jcw said:
In case anyone forgot - here is the link to all the cities DL was adding to DAL - as you can see they have really done a nice job getting this service off the ground to all these cities
 
http://news.delta.com/2013-11-14-Delta-Plans-Expansion-at-Dallas-Love-Field
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No didn't forget. But some would love to not remember this article posted by Delta. I have stated for some time now that Delta should be running 18 flights per day IF they got the gate awards at DAL.
700, No, Delta was never harmed. Those 18 flights as well as the 2 added flights to ATL was ever started. Delta is still running the same Ole 5 ATL flights, that could very easily be moved to DFW, just like Virgin moved their flights over to DAL.
Wow, jcw, good find. I hate seeing that Delta is down to only 45 flights out of DFW. At one time they were above 255 flights. Really makes me wonder why Delta would fight so hard to keep a measly 5 flights from a 1/2 gate at DAL. Remember the Delta threatened law suit if they were not considered for the 2 DAL Love Field gates because they were not considered an LCC? Where is that suit folks? It was indeed promised...
 
eolesen said:
Well, there was a loss of face... DL promised something and put flights out for sale that they couldn't deliver on.
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That is correct. Which is where all the fuss came from the illegal sale of tickets to destinations never started. I have asked numerous times about these issues, and to this day still not get an answer to what has happened to all that mess.
 
It wasnt illegal, it had a disclaimer on being able to obtain gate space.
 
No didn't forget. But some would love to not remember this article posted by Delta. I have stated for some time now that Delta should be running 18 flights per day IF they got the gate awards at DAL.
700, No, Delta was never harmed. Those 18 flights as well as the 2 added flights to ATL was ever started. Delta is still running the same Ole 5 ATL flights, that could very easily be moved to DFW, just like Virgin moved their flights over to DAL.
Wow, jcw, good find. I hate seeing that Delta is down to only 45 flights out of DFW. At one time they were above 255 flights. Really makes me wonder why Delta would fight so hard to keep a measly 5 flights from a 1/2 gate at DAL. Remember the Delta threatened law suit if they were not considered for the 2 DAL Love Field gates because they were not considered an LCC? Where is that suit folks? It was indeed promised...
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because DL is still at DAL.

I know it is a hard concept for you and others to get but DL has what it had before.

loss of face? yet somehow, DL managed to grow its number of passengers and total revenue from DAL/DFW by more than twice the rate of the market AND far higher than AA/US.

no, there was no loss of face.

the only loss of face is by a few people here that keep grasping for straws trying to argue that DL won't be able to remain at DAL and that DL isn't continuing its growth at DAL/DFW
 
Actually the loss of face comes from the flights to MSP, LGA, etc that never happened
 
only in your mind and those who want to believe that DL was harmed.

DL's revenue from DFW including to MSP and LGA GREW.

DL lost nothing.

DL wanted to grow more and couldn't do that. but DL lost nothing.
 
So let me get this right DL has 5 flight a day to ATL from DAL and 12 flight a day from DFW. AA has 10 flight a day from DFW and 0 from DAL. WN has 4 flights from DAL and 0 from DFW. DL can offer flights from both while WN and AA can or do only offer flights from only one airport. Just wondering how this puts DL at a disadvantage ?
 
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