UA transfers its two DAL (Love Field) gates to Southwest; Is DL out?
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except I never said that DL could do whatever it wants.
The double standard is only in your mind.
DL wins in the marketplace on a fair basis.
that is all that WN is expected to do.
The double standard is only in your mind.
DL wins in the marketplace on a fair basis.
that is all that WN is expected to do.
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who says that DL isn't winning or can't win with just 5 flights?
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jcw don't ya know that DL is winning the N TX market and each of those 5 flights helps.... 
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Guys. He's just got a hard on for SWA because SWA is doing so well and is now headed over to grow and expand ATL and it just pisses him off. He whines about SWA always getting their way, well, SWA is and was smart enough to get involved with all the legal issues when the DOJ told AA had to divest. SWA also put it's name in the hat for the DCA and LGA gates/flights just like many other airlines did the same. SWA had a better team that presented and proved that SWA would be the better airline for the consumers as well as the cities and airports if they were to recieve the gates. WT just needs to stop his whining and accept what has happened, and he also flat out just needs to get a clue...robbedagain said:jcw don't ya know that DL is winning the N TX market and each of those 5 flights helps....
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no, I have a hard on for nothing except fair and open competition, something WN is incapable of prospering under.
WN knew all along that it intended to dominate DAL, convince the DOJ of its need to expand at DCA and LGA, and then turn around and monopolize DAL far worse than any legacy carrier has ever done in any other city.
WN is not a better airline for consumers. It was.
the WN that provided real price competition is dead due to high costs - as evidenced by their unwillingness to give you pay raises.
Anyone who even closely examines the industry recognizes that WN's ability to succeed is only because of its ability to dominate the market to the exclusion of other carriers
when WN has to defend its actions in the light of antitrust law, WN will have a lot of explaining to do - while its markets are finally pushed open to WN's screeches and gnashing of teeth.
WN knew all along that it intended to dominate DAL, convince the DOJ of its need to expand at DCA and LGA, and then turn around and monopolize DAL far worse than any legacy carrier has ever done in any other city.
WN is not a better airline for consumers. It was.
the WN that provided real price competition is dead due to high costs - as evidenced by their unwillingness to give you pay raises.
Anyone who even closely examines the industry recognizes that WN's ability to succeed is only because of its ability to dominate the market to the exclusion of other carriers
when WN has to defend its actions in the light of antitrust law, WN will have a lot of explaining to do - while its markets are finally pushed open to WN's screeches and gnashing of teeth.
You never learn. We are still in nego's so how in the world can you say that SWA is unwilling to give us raises, when in fact they have stated that they are willing to give us raises straight from the horses mouth at the table. Who have no clue.WorldTraveler said:
SWA will not have to explain anything about the antitrust laws. "IF" Delta is asked to leave DAL, and "IF" Delta decides to file suit (which they have threatened before and never followed thru) remember the 2 gates they wanted that went to a LCC? Delta will have to fight the suit against COD and maybe even DOJ not SWA. Again, because you are just like a 3 year old, SWA has no control over who offers service out of DAL--PERIOD.
So why is it that SWA does dominate alot of cities they serve? Because SWA has cheaper fares, free bags, the best customer service out there, and a very well know brand for having the lowest fares, this is how SWA becomes a dominating airline at airports. SWA is still the better airline for consumers, rather you want to admit that is your problem.
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of course they are giving raises.... let me know how many workers have rec'd raises above 1.5% per year.
nearly every other US airline employee that has rec'd raises - and it is a fairly decent number - are receiving pay raises far larger than WN has passed out.
I'm all for WN and everyone else getting more money. the more for everyone, the better.
but WN's costs are no longer sufficiently low compared to the legacies in order to gain an advantage.
thus, they have sought advantages by pushing into high yield markets llke DCA and LGA and building a Berlin Wall around DAL such that no one else can get in and they can push up yields based on protected high yield markets.
If DL's sublease is with WN and WN chooses not to renew the sublease, it is absolutely WN's problem.
but you are right that DAL will be dragged into court.... along with WN.
WN does not have lower yields than the legacies. that has been publicly noted over and over and can be verified from carrier SEC filings.
WN got what it has at DCA and LGA and the Berlin Wall at DAL because of pushing an inaccurate and dated perception on the public which is no longer valid.
WN is indeed behind the Berlin Wall and the rest of the industry will increasingly benefit from free markets while WN is isolated from the world and boxed in.
in case you slept thru it, the Berlin Wall fell.
nearly every other US airline employee that has rec'd raises - and it is a fairly decent number - are receiving pay raises far larger than WN has passed out.
I'm all for WN and everyone else getting more money. the more for everyone, the better.
but WN's costs are no longer sufficiently low compared to the legacies in order to gain an advantage.
thus, they have sought advantages by pushing into high yield markets llke DCA and LGA and building a Berlin Wall around DAL such that no one else can get in and they can push up yields based on protected high yield markets.
If DL's sublease is with WN and WN chooses not to renew the sublease, it is absolutely WN's problem.
but you are right that DAL will be dragged into court.... along with WN.
WN does not have lower yields than the legacies. that has been publicly noted over and over and can be verified from carrier SEC filings.
WN got what it has at DCA and LGA and the Berlin Wall at DAL because of pushing an inaccurate and dated perception on the public which is no longer valid.
WN is indeed behind the Berlin Wall and the rest of the industry will increasingly benefit from free markets while WN is isolated from the world and boxed in.
in case you slept thru it, the Berlin Wall fell.
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tell you what you can do.
you can let us know when WN kicks DL out like you seem to think they will do, when DL rolls over and takes no action, and WN has one tiny little competitor in VX that it can flick off its nose like a day old bugger.
when that happens, you can tell us what's next.
the answer to the last phrase of the question on the thread title is a resounding "NO"
That answer was given on the very first page of the thread but you and a dozen others decided to go for yet another whirl on the topic despite the fact that nothing changed WRT DL at DAL
you can let us know when WN kicks DL out like you seem to think they will do, when DL rolls over and takes no action, and WN has one tiny little competitor in VX that it can flick off its nose like a day old bugger.
when that happens, you can tell us what's next.
the answer to the last phrase of the question on the thread title is a resounding "NO"
That answer was given on the very first page of the thread but you and a dozen others decided to go for yet another whirl on the topic despite the fact that nothing changed WRT DL at DAL
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this thread is about DAL.
that is the only thing that will get interesting.
I'm just waiting for the long-predicted "DL will have no place at DAL" to actually take place.
and then for you to find out that if WN succeeds at pushing everyone else out of DAL how difficult it will be for them to do anything to expand DAL or lift any remaining restrictions.
no one has any incentive to do anything if they are all on the outside looking in - and can easily argue about WN's hypocrisy in gaining gates at DCA and LGA only to create a WN operation at DAL that is as large as AA's at DCA or DL's at LGA - but with no opportunity for competition at DAL.
that is the only thing that will get interesting.
I'm just waiting for the long-predicted "DL will have no place at DAL" to actually take place.
and then for you to find out that if WN succeeds at pushing everyone else out of DAL how difficult it will be for them to do anything to expand DAL or lift any remaining restrictions.
no one has any incentive to do anything if they are all on the outside looking in - and can easily argue about WN's hypocrisy in gaining gates at DCA and LGA only to create a WN operation at DAL that is as large as AA's at DCA or DL's at LGA - but with no opportunity for competition at DAL.
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You know, that's exactly what "experts" were saying about WN in the 1970s, 1980s, 1990s.
WN is inflicting so much harm on AA that they're just making record profits. Amazing the stuff you come up with. Are you unhinged? Did you forget your meds?
Could the reason DL will not be impacted in Latin America be because DL is an afterthought there? On the AA thread you were boasting that DL and UA is the same size in Latin America. So if they are the same size, would they not be similarly affected by WN? Oh what? That doesn't fit you narrative! You're such a a fraudster and liar!
I think DL has much smarter lawyers than you on retainer.
How many times do you have to be schooled about the Wright Amendment? It's just astonishing of how dense you are.
It's unbelievable how somebody could be so wrong, corrected on so many topics. And yet still come back day after day after day and try to pretend be an expert on EVERYTHING. You have been demonstrated to be a fraud and a liar!
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Liar.
Actually, you did. Recall on the AA board (which you also infected with your DL rules the world diatribes), I listed ~10 challenges that DL faces for you to address. All of them you flipped off as no big deal.
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This is amazing!
Imagine if DL had >5 flights at DAL, AA and WN (and possibly UA - who can comprehend the power of DL) would be out of business within days.
If after reading this, is there anybody, even a newbie on these boards that can take this tool seriously?
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