UA transfers its two DAL (Love Field) gates to Southwest; Is DL out?

[WorldTraveler]

once again, you prove that you can't engage in a rational discussion without resorting to name calling.

do you really take all of this talk about the industry that personally?, esp. since you dramatically distort what I said.

the only ones that have been wrong about the outcome of the Wright Amendment are the chorus of people who have repeatedly said DL would be out of DAL

None of you have the common sense to realize that unless WN is thru with any favors from anyone, they will not kick DL out only to later then kill VX. they are run by a lot smarter people than the geniuses on this board who predict WN's domination and then expect DAL to be expanded.

post the quote where I said that DL and UA are exactly the same size. You won't find it because I said approximately or about or roughly.

the reason why DL won't be affected by WN's growth in latin America is because WN is actually pulling flights to Latin America OUT OF DL hubs, and starting them or stating they will from IAH and S. Florida, which are AA and UA hubs.

feel free to define winning the way you would like - but winning doesn't mean market domination. whether it be for DL or anyone else.

WN could win in ATL if it is profitable and has a stable market share. and I do think they will win in ATL - they wil just be smaller than they are today.

DL will continue to win in N. Texas. it is doubtful that they will ever be as large as AA, UA, or WN who all have hubs there - but DL will continue to be profitable and will grow.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

do you really take all of this talk about the industry that personally?, esp. since you dramatically distort what I said.

Says the guy with >16K posts all about the greatness of DL.
Idolatry is a sin.

post the quote where I said that DL and UA are exactly the same size. You won't find it because I said approximately or about or roughly.

Ah yes, the typical disclaimer, wiggling out of what you said and what you meant. Yet you get offended when people call you a liar (I'm not the only one calling you a liar).

 

[topDawg]

This will get interesting...
 
Merger Done, Southwest Steps into Ring Against Delta

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first, you do realize that Holder is out.

Is he finally gone? I know he was leaving TBD.....
 
but more importantly it doesn't matter. Obama will find someone just like him.....
 

whether anyone else will be as stupid as him remains to be seen but Obama is on the verge of seeing his legacy disassembled not just in the US but also on the world stage by others who are determined to get things done the right way.

think he cares? Really? Obama is doing exactly what he wants to do. Try to make everyone in this country as poor as possible while propping up as man terrorist groups as he can. 
 

specific to aviation and DAL, it again is obvious to anyone that even has their eyes open that the DOJ botched the AA/US merger and handling of DAL to the complete benefit of one carrier who does not offer low fares when it dominates the market.

Again, I know they botched it, you know they botched it
 
but not a damn thing going to change. 
 

DL for now is happy to let WN run amok at DAL because they are inflicting so much damage on AA, as I said WN would do. Given that WN has fled from dozens of ATL markets and raised fares dramatically in others, DL is far better off than it was with FL, esp since WN has decided to use its resources to focus on AA.

Agree on the ATL part
I don't think Delta cares about the AA part. They are not nearly as obsessed with AA as you and LDV want them to be. That is such a bigger pissing contest between fan boys than it is between the companies its sad. 
 

They are just getting warmed up in Latin America - which will impact AA and UA far more than it could possibly impact DL.

*rolls eyes* mhmm whatever you say.

but DL is not going to give WN an inch of room to do anything beyond what they are doing right now and will not hesitate for a minute to start the legal and legislative process to put WN back in its box if it does anything other than focus its competitive assaults anywhere but on AA and UA

Okay few things. Delta is not "letting" WN do anything. Not a thing. WN has the blessing of the law to do what they are doing. 
It is very questionable Delta has any legal ground to stand on with DAL. I believe if they thought they did they would have already taken this to the courts. 
 

Guys. He's just got a hard on for SWA because SWA is doing so well and is now headed over to grow and expand ATL and it just pisses him off. He whines about SWA always getting their way, well, SWA is and was smart enough to get involved with all the legal issues when the DOJ told AA had to divest.

Grow and expand? when.....All WN has done here is cut. ~100 flights or so.......
 

SWA also put it's name in the hat for the DCA and LGA gates/flights just like many other airlines did the same. SWA had a better team that presented and proved that SWA would be the better airline for the consumers as well as the cities and airports if they were to recieve the gates. WT just needs to stop his whining and accept what has happened, and he also flat out just needs to get a clue...

Boy I thought the widget kool-aid was strong. 
They really make some good stuff out in Dallas don't they? 

 

[WorldTraveler]

it is precisely because Texas Tomato juice is as mind-altering as it is that swamt is so much fun to engage in "conversation" (euphemism)

we're on the same page regarding Holder and his former boss... I just haven't given up hope that normality and sanity will reign if only because others force it

King Abdullah for Sec'y of the Dept. of Justice.

 

[topDawg]

we're on the same page regarding Holder and his former boss... I just haven't given up hope that normality and sanity will reign if only because others force it

I believe it will take a new president to think about change. I just don't see it under Obama. esp not with the congress we have now. IMHO he would veto a change in the WA just because the republicans proposed it..... 

 

King Abdullah for Sec'y of the Dept. of Justice.

is that the pres of Jordan? 
If so that dude is a bad ass. I saw somewhere he wanted to personally kick some ISIS ass but the government over there wouldn't let him. 
 
Wish our CIC had half the balls of that guy.... 

 

[WorldTraveler]

my vote for judge, jury, and executioner.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

don't worry, though, since you clearly aren't the only one with a log in your eye.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Okay few things. Delta is not "letting" WN do anything. Not a thing. WN has the blessing of the law to do what they are doing. 
It is very questionable Delta has any legal ground to stand on with DAL. I believe if they thought they did they would have already taken this to the
courts.

 
Exactly.
 

 

[WorldTraveler]

so, when is this long predicted "DL is out of DAL" actually going to take place?

I'm seem more predictions than for the date of the 2nd coming.....

and s'pose that DL might show up with some more flying at a few WN cities.... it has been adding longhaul int'l flying in AA competitive markets left and right.... WN's hubettes should be very much easier.

btw, the log is pretty easy to spot. it is the speck-seekers that Jesus was focused on.

 

[eolesen]

but more importantly it doesn't matter. Obama will find someone just like him.....

And they're likely to be a short-timer. Regardless who wins in 2016, they'll probably want their own person in place. That's why despite some chest thumping, confirming Lynch is probably no worse than keeping Holder in place until the next election. The only thing worth holding out on her confirmation up is as a trump card in trade for some legislation Obama doesn't want but can live with.
 

It is very questionable Delta has any legal ground to stand on with DAL. I believe if they thought they did they would have already taken this to the courts.

 

Yep. There are threats, and there are actions. WN's toyed with DL like a catnip ball on a bungee cord.

Grow and expand? when.....All WN has done here is cut. ~100 flights or so.......

Sure, but most of what they cut some were markets pm-FL was flying to avoid head to head competition with other airlines. Nobody really misses markets like ATL-ABE/SRQ/LEX/MDT/HSV/HPN.

 

I believe it will take a new president to think about change. I just don't see it under Obama. esp not with the congress we have now. IMHO he would veto a change in the WA just because the republicans proposed it.....

Who occupies the White House doesn't matter. It will take an entirely new Congressional delegation from Texas, andsomehow I don't see anyone having the lobbying power to make that happen.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and somehow people think that the same courts that WN used to pry open DAL in the first place can't be used by DL and other carriers to ensure that DAL is not the poster child of antitrust laws ignored.

there is NO LEGAL BASIS for WN to carry 95% of the traffic from DAL and have one weak niche carrier as competition.

There couldn't be an easier antitrust case for DL to win if it wanted ot take the case to court.

WN knows it.

 

[700UW]

The legal basis is a federal law called the Wright Amendment, you know the law passed by Congress and signed by the President and not challenged by the DOJ nor the DOT.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the Wright Amendment did not and never can supersede US antitrust law.

you like most of the rest of the people on this board have repeatedly parroted something that you don't understand.

There was no expectation nor is there any defense for WN controlling 95% of the seats and traffic in/out of a single airport with no way for any other carrier to provide competition.

there is absolutely no basis for it and WN knows full well that if an antitrust case were taken against DAL and WN, WN's ability to operate at DAL as it does now is greatly compromised.

the very reason why WN wants to add gates is so that it can leave enough of them for other carriers to prevent that from happening

in the meantime, WN would like to hope that VX can be forced to accommodate DL just like they hoped with UA. but the risk to WN is simply too high to push DL off on someone else who doesn't care and actually might hope that WN and DAL is taken to court.

 

[700UW]

So sue DAL then just like DL was going to sue because they were denied any of the slot divestitures at LGA and DCA, where is that lawsuit?

Where is the lawsuit about DAL?

Seems to me DL is losing at DAL as DL is only flying to ATL and not to any other city.

And the Writht Amendment was passed into law, there are no anti-trust issues.

 

[metopower]

You just don't get it. As long as WN is not flying into a DL hub (msp dtw sea ) and DL can't compete against them things remain the same. You must wait to be harmed.